thats because they are consuming manosphere media, like j peterson, tucker, shapiro, crowder, owens, TPUSA content, and JOE ROEGAN. almost all of these people are paid by putins inner circle to spread thier manosphere propaganda in order to drum up conservative voter base. its a gateway to supporting trump or far right GOP AGENDAS.
PLUS they are more obsessively on tiktok, or other streaming media than before.
You’re older than youve ever been and now youre even older. Now youre even older. Now youre older still.
Well, gosh. This falls right in line with what I’ve been saying and wondering aloud about things like the Fourth Turning.
The Archie Bunker thing was something boomers stood up to make fun of their parents’ generation. That is the kind of thing that all this ginned-up inter-generational warfare that seems largely directed at the boomers (and the Silent Generation and Generation Jones somewhat) seems to miss.
And now we have all these younger “influencers” (barf) doing this kind of thing openly and unironically in the brosphere. The trad wife influencers. And those people and their fans are not the boomers…
Interesting fact totally ignored by the click-bait headline:
Among women, 18% of gen Z and 6% of baby boomers agreed.
So, among women, support for traditional gender roles tripled.
Those women are about to learn the hard way why women had to fight for their freedom from this oppressive system. Have fun with that domestic violence and financial prison
I imagine it is a “grass is greener” kind of thing.
Social media ‘influencer tradewives’ and the red pill circle are a huge reason both are going up in support, it kind of comes with less critical thinking, education, social and civil rights for women being taught, the works.
Welp, can we pivot to start calling out toxic femininity?
I am hoping it’s that gen-Z they surveyed was going through the middle/highschool edgy teenager phase.
Well considering the very youngest of gen Z are now about 14 and 15 with most of them being in their twenties I wouldn’t be so hopeful.
the youngest are probably going to get it worst than the older gen z people.
May they never have wives.
But fr, one of the things I’ve found interesting is how many men want a partner to the point of distress, but have batshit expectations of her, compared to how many women I’ve known who casually are interested in having a man but have hard limits as to what they’re willing to put up with and would much rather be single than put up with a shitty guy. And in response to this the same men who are functioning as worse than nothing options, are increasingly expecting more and more out of women.
When I look at this as a market problem I come to the opposite conclusion as these young men: that men should consider obeying their wives.
But yeah violent misogyny must be met with feminism with teeth. We will not go back.
We are going back though project 2025 is calling for a removal of no fault divorce, women’s reproductive healthcare is being weaponized, death penalty for abortion bills are being introduced, the EEOC has been gutted, civil rights legislation is being reversed….not looking great for women
But yeah violent misogyny must be met with feminism with teeth. We will not go back.
I don’t know: these people seem to be getting a permission structure from the government. Honestly, I’ve been watching some of this stuff and mostly being quiet about a lot of it, even online.
But if you ask me honestly? I’m terrified about the direction things seem to be going. I’ve seen lots of unhelpful intergenerational warfare, mostly about boomers and Gen Y taking shots at one another, while my generation (Gen X) is playing the part of the forgotten child, just as we always have. Boomers seem to get blamed for everything in life, but it’s not like these other generations don’t have any agency!
But I’m very concerned about Gen Z and alpha, and just where they are going. It’s possible some of these people may break out of their mind forged manacles and moderate themselves or become more progressive, but that’s not how these things tend to work. People tend to drift to the right as they get older, not the other direction. And if they are starting at the trad wife position at such a young age?..yikes.
alpha is already being set up to fail worst than gen z when they all become adults, and gen z is already addictively consuming far right content
Understand the sentiment but I think what you want to say “may they never have sex”. Least until they learn better.
Last thing we need is more pos like my uncle who never marry and just nut and run. Men on that side are soo trash. I dk how the gross creature has so many kids.
Apart from the fact that this is reported by The Guardian. It is important to highlight that it is not just a “gen Z” problem. This is yet another battle against the generations - and the fact is, gen alpha also has this problem.
It is baffling how yet again, people are needlessly correlating problems to a particular minority. Problems as a result of precise indoctrination, crafted by our glorious leaders and corporations. The fascism within our lives impacts everyone no matter the age.
So honestly who’s fault is it to enable such widespread fascism in the first place? Our whole ecosystem is basically fascists in disguise, technology crafted to indoctrinate people from their infancy and punish those which stray away.
This is a problem which disregards the root problem and shifts it all on meaningless “generations”. Growing up with fascist made technology essentially puts you on the fascist training programme. Of course, even if you didn’t - majority of the time they will leave you no other choice than to obey.
alpha will like suffer even worst insecurity than GEN Z, because they would be growing up with social media all thier lives, if not from toddler already
I think I just figured out why I can’t decide if I’m pansexual or finsexual. It’s because so many masculine looking guys my age are assholes, so my brain just assumes that all masculine looking guys my age must be assholes, so I’ve been nearly entirely turned off to all masculine looking guys. I know that good men exist, but it seems like they are few and far between so I tend to just avoid men altogether unless they are gender nonconforming. So basically I’ve limited myself to femboys and wlw, but I would date a masculine looking guy if he happened to be one of the few who aren’t assholes, it’s just that they’re hard to find.
I also live in a small rural area though, so there’s probably a higher percentage of misogynistic assholes here compared to the cities but idk.
Funny enough I can still relate as an asexual myself.
I had to cut many friendships with people because they started doing MAGA-style “jokes” after growing comfortable atound me.
Now I keep an extra distance just in case someone turns out to be a bigot, unless if there is a hint for the opposite like them being androgenous or anti-capitalist etc.
Remember that media gives voice to the minority to get clicks, not to inform you.
The difference may be that I live in a city, but almost all people I’ve come across in my life are genuinely good people. It’s hard to imagine that people like Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes live in the real world. I like to think of it as a separate online world since people like that are few to come by.
To be fair, I don’t go out much, but that’s partly because I’m in the middle of nowhere and there’s like nothing out here. On dating apps the men I see pretty much always have their political views set to conservative or moderate.
I did go to a bar in the cities once and I did meet a guy I liked there but nothing ever came of it. I do get the impression that men in the cities are likely much better than where I live, but I haven’t spent much time in the cities though.
I am also thinking about when I was in highschool, specifically a yeehaw highschool, and my impression was that most guys would rather eat crayons than pay attention in class. Those guys also had loser flags on their trucks despite us being in a northern union state, and there were a lot of them. Though I did have some guy friends who were chill, I felt like they were in the minority.
It’s definitely a city vs rural thing then. And this is not unique to the US. Being in the city forces you to be aware that there are many different people with many different backgrounds in the world, and you are forced to interact with them daily. It makes it a lot easier to accept homosexuality, for example, if you actually interact with gay people and realize that we all aren’t so different from each other.
To be clear, anyone who endorses this view is not a person. At best, they’re a human animal, and at worst they’re rabid.
a) you’re using “animal” like an insult. That’s not cool.
and b) calling shitty people “not people” isn’t cool either.
and c) just to reiterate, by contrast, animals (human or not) are people, and calling them “subhuman” is just… dude.
– Frost
I love animals. That is what we are. What I do not love is this pervasive delusion that all human animals are people. They are not.
The transcendental values that separate people from the other animals are not universally instantiated. Some humans are cruel. They do not care about what is true or moral. They are not subhuman. In many ways, they’re only human, their potential personhood vitiated by a lack moral and intellectual agency.
It found that gen Z males (born 1997-2012) were twice as likely as baby boomer men (born 1946-1964) to have traditional views on decision-making within a marriage, with just 13% of men in the older cohort agreeing that a wife should always obey her husband. Among women, 18% of gen Z and 6% of baby boomers agreed.
Hmmm okay… So the author states that gen z women are three times more likely to adopt these conservative viewpoints, which means they are being converted at a higher rate than men.
“I think there are a lot of grievances, a lot of fear of men losing social positions,” Chung said. “And there’s a vacuum that’s being filled with rhetoric and voices which are trying to pitch young men against gender equality, against young women, against migrants.”
Such an opportunity for an interesting article examining why, but of course they completely gloss that over and frame it as men being egotistical and gullible.
One of my Gen Z colleagues described a conversation they had with their wife wherein she said “you’re my best friend”, and he responded with “I’m not your friend I’m your husband”. I bet that made her feel good.
Did you call him a douche?
You should have
It’s not like he said it to her in my presence. The guy wants to ruin his marriage that’s his business, I got my own issues.
Idk, dipshit feels more appropriate. “Hey dipshit, sometimes you have to pay attention to the meaning over the words when your wife is expressing how she feels about you”
The older I get, the more I think that the internet was a mistake. It had a lot of potential for good and has delivered on that in many ways, but it has also unleashed an uncontrollable onslaught of radicalization, hatred, isolation, and mental illness. It’s harms have outweighed the good by orders of magnitude.
It’s getting worse too. The amount of people who watch YouTube like TV (on their TVs) instead of regular ass old TV shows is making it to where no one is ever unplugged from the internet. So much of the content people view regularly is steeped in internet drama, or very online stuff like streaming, or politics optimized for the algorithm. TV sucks, but goddamn I think it may be healthier for people to have a break watching Law and Order or something instead of just being entrenched in the internet and internet drama 24/7.
I mean, I watch YouTube all the time, way more than TV these days. Some of that involves politics yes, but mostly it’s just pretty innocuous. Science, technology, books, comics, gaming, D&D, sketch comedy, standup, animation, movie reviews, food, cooking, history, etc. By far the most political thing I watch on YouTube is Some More News, and it’s admittedly pretty rage inducing sometimes. But most of my viewing is just wholesome, nerdy, and/or makes me hungry. I don’t really live by the algorithm though. I primarily watch people I’ve specifically subscribed to.
Sounds like you have a healthier relationship with YouTube than a lot of people. YouTube really is a microcosm of the internet itself. A place where the innocuous and the poisonous exist side by side, and the difference between the two often coming down to where you let it take you.
I always say
“The Internet is for anyone! …But it should never have been for everyone.”
Lots of things are fine when they are first introduced because we carry our lived experiences into it. But those who grow up with the new thing shaping their lived experience don’t bring that perspective to it.
This is going to be very true for AI.
I agree to a certain extent, but also would point out that the longer something exists, the more likely it is to be exploited by capital and then just be objectively worse. A lot of the good things are still there, just pushed aside and hidden by people with ulterior motives. Plenty of queer youth still find a lot of community and comfort online when it’s absent in their lives. There is definitely something to be said about how things shape people vs how people shape things though.
Thanks for putting it in such concise words.
I am an embedded developer so the LLM/AI is a omni-present talking point and one of my friends was saying that he loved LLMs because they could generate big chunks of code and he can go through it after and fix the mistakes.
He has the skills to fix the issues because he has a decade of non-LLM experience.
But someone that doesn’t have that experience will have a hard time finding the correct fix when the vibe code isn’t working as it should. They will rely on LLM telling them that they were right, so here is a new fix that doesn’t fix the issue.
I have such a hangup on this. Currently, a “tech journalist” in one of the big newspapers in my country is doing a series of articles about how he’s vibe coded an app that, apparently, has been green-lighted by the IT department and is very useful for his fellow journalists.
He admits to not being able to read or write a single line of code, and describes what he does as “leading a team” where he makes decisions about what kind of features to implement, when things are too slow and need speed improvements, etc. Apparently, this web-app is now 66 000 lines of code, and used in production (unclear what it’s actually used for). The LLM agents take care of everything from writing the code to setting up PR’s, reviewing, testing, and deploying.
I can’t help but see so painfully clearly that he’s created 66 000 lines of liability, that he has exactly zero concept of potential bugs in, and which no human in the world is likely to fix quickly if production goes down. He has no idea whether database rollbacks are safe or even possible if something is corrupted… there’s just so many foot canons waiting to go off. And this is just 66k lines. That’s not even a small web-app, it’s tiny (this guy can’t see the difference between generated files and written files, so I’m assuming 66k includes everything), and my personal experience is that LLM agents just get worse as complexity increases.
The biggest problem is that it’s painfully clear that this guy is oblivious to all the above. He’s happily chugging along as long as this looks like it’s working. I can only assume that other people with his level of experience (that is, none) see it the same way.
The good potential was lost when the old wild west Internet, where any random person could build a site and start a community. Now that there’s enough money and corporate presence on the Internet, they build up all the sites and tools that places use to socialize with others and, lo and behold, they implement algorithms to make sure reactionary beliefs are spoonfed to as many people as possible.
They understood the meta on what communication and community building was going to look like, and now, the only hope to get people out of these pipelines into reactionary echo chambers is either to pray all the big social media platforms decide en masse to stop promoting these views out of the goodness of their hearts, or we all just give up the poison and go back to living like it’s the late 90s and the Internet is just a thing you maybe check a couple of times a day at home and you otherwise live in the real world.
The internet is just a way to get a message across. Overall, Gen Z (and further ones) are fucked in pretty much every aspect. No money, no housing and generally no real future. That leads to desperation and as a result you start asking yourself questions why up until the 1970s everyone had it better than the previous generations and now we’re constantly getting fucked. Then come the “saviors” of the internet that blame it on illegal aliens, women having rights etc because according to their logic we had it good in the 70s so we must reverse everything back to the way it was in 70s. If young people get some breathing room the trend will reverse itself in my opinion. But seeing as no one is coming to save young people, it will only get worse.
Then come the “saviors” of the internet that blame it on illegal aliens, women having rights etc because according to their logic we had it good in the 70s so we must reverse everything back to the way it was in 70s.
The problem isnt just the “saviors” and their message. Those people have always existed, always had the same blaming strategy. The problem is that the internet has made it easier for those messages to reach a global audience, has made the messenger faceless and unaccountable and given the presumption of legitimacy, has made it easier to get absorbed into isolated communities saturated in this kind of messaging, and made it easier to warp the worldview of the community to something antithetical to reality. If you run into a dude saying wacky shit in a bar, and he just seems to be some drunk asshole, you’re not likely to give him much credence against all of the other messaging around you. But if you find an entire community saying the things he says, and they welcome you in, and you get a sense of comradery and purpose from it, that same messaging holds a lot of sway over you.
Isolation has always been the secret sauce to radicalization. Exposure is the antidote. Humans have always had cultural feedback loops that reinforce a specific worldview. And meeting with other cultures often causes conflicts when those worldview collide. The promise of the internet was a more global culture wherein we have a shared reinforced world view. But that didn’t really happen for everyone. What we are seeing now is that same feedback loop phenomenon in a digital space, but often with dramatically different worldviews, even within the same local physical space. That still causes conflict when those communities collide, both online and in the real world, but now that conflict happens everywhere, even in your own household sometimes.
We’re losing physical communities, friends and family for our online echo chamber communities. People are definitely driven more into those digital communities as their physical life is more of a struggle financially, socially, etc. Relieving those struggles would certainly go a long way in remediating the problem, but it won’t go away.
1000% agreed.
100% agree. The weaponization of information has made the dumbest people not only dumber, but just outright worse humans than they would have ever been.
So, Gen Z males are three times as likely as baby boomers to remain single?
Pretty much. Voluntary incels.
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/22/nx-s1-5166115/politics-dating-gen-z-millennials-boomers-poll
I just wanna be a house husband.
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