The UK government is so god damn dumb.
evil*
Both
they arent dumb tho. this is the dystopia they want to build.
For who? Themselves? Are their lives so miserable they just want to see people suffer?
Yes.
if a phone is tied to a svc acct like a telco provider- age verification should be automatic as THAT provider cannot open an acct for a child.
FUCKING THANK YOU!
I’m not in favour of any of the age restriction stuff UK government is doing.
Good argument, but:
Phones in the UK can be bought without a contract and untied to any network.
Pay as you go SIM cards can be bought without a contract.
Credit cards used to make purchases online require users to be 18 or over. Debit cards on the other hand can be issued to those under 18 (but a bank account will require evidence of ID, address, age). https://www.gohenry.com/uk/blog/financial-education/what-age-can-you-get-a-debit-card-in-the-uk
can a debit card be created by someone under 18? ie does a parent have to do it then give johnny a card? can a bodega owner sell a prepaid to a minor, and can prepaids be used?
just wondering where up the chain the responsibility lies. i’m all for corps being held to task, but also parents. if i handed my kid a phone it was my responsibility.
now he had phones that he acquired. i saw them. so i know it is largely irrelevant my thoughts on chain of concern.
in short: this is a terrible tar pit of gov horseshit sold in the “protect the kids” camp but really is “build a bigger fascist state db…”
A parent can do the age verification captcha for Johnny. All of this is bullshit once they start thinking any of this will stop kids who have the help of an adult (actually, already is imo). Anyone ever hear of kids getting adults to buy alcohol for them in the past?
This is what happens when your phone is no longer YOUR phone
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The company that bribed the Cheeto?
Yeah, sure. Trust THAT company
Tim Apple and Don Orange
Donvict diaper donny. Did i make enough insults yet?
Dude, apple IS the man
Open source software like GrapheneOS is the only software you should ever trust to not be government spyware.
I’ve been on GrapheneOS for years now, and I still don’t trust anyone ‘not to be government spyware’. I believe they are not bending to governments right now, but the way this is going, it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up being coerced to introduce backdoor at some point. I’m not saying that the GOS team would willingly do something like that, I am saying that, in this time we’re living in, this is not outside the realm of possibility.
Im preparing to, if necessary, move my personal life entirely out of the reach of the internet eventually, because at the speed these legislation and laws are being passed, anything connected will be a straight shot into our deepest thoughts.
Meanwhile, I’ll remain on GrapheneOS, CachyOS and ProxMox as long as they can be kept private.
Apple is the man. Google is the man. The men claiming they are the men are just little pocket puppets.
Apple has done a fantastic job surrounding their privacy reputation. Problem is, they absolutely bent the knee and kissed the ring.
The only way out is either going with custom roms on an android or a Linux phone, … anything along those lines (you know, IT stuff that let’s you actually do stuff). Or don’t participate.
Wow, thats fucked. I hope Australia doesn’t decide to do this as well. This shit is happening so quickly at the moment
me too but i’m not overly optimistic. i don’t think there is a strong enough culture of anti-surveillance
I think they did this first, at least they passed the law first. Our “left center” government in action.
> can’t have apps without an account
> cave have an account without a loicenseWill this finally kill off the “Apple is private enough” mantra I always hear?
Apple is doing this instead of requiring app developers to implement and maintain their own system, which is what Android is doing.
The question comes down to who trust more, any random app developer or a single entity.
For example this means meta doesn’t have to verify their iOS users because iOS already has.
I’m sure most people in this thread are coming at this all from a morally superior position about how they don’t use meta but they also don’t use iOS devices so this is another bit of outrage.
No one here is actually anything besides get upset about something that doesn’t effect them. The internet has become a silly place.
To put it simply, I do in fact care a great deal, because Android is also moving towards centralization from Google. It’s bad. It’s all bad.
These companies can’t be trusted with their identity, and they’ve been demonstrably untrustworthy for over a decade. Have you heard of Total Information Awareness and its spawn? PRISM? Palantir?
Yes. It’s all bad. The solution is to get rid of these political stooges. Dealing with capitalists is a different topic. There is some cross over with the poltical stoogery but that’s all there is.
unfortunately, that is not how cults work.
no problem, I’ll just use apps from outside of the App Store, right?
You could, if you lived in the EU :)
Mixed feelings about this.
However, ethical questions aside, and from a purely legal conformation standpoint, if the phone validates the user is over 18 and passes only that info as a token to whatever application or website requests it, then it’s a good implementation. It means elimination of multiple validation requirements, minimal transfer of data to third parties, fewer sources holding personal data, etc. Whether it works that way remains to be seen.
I haven’t read this particular law. But one proposed in Colorado still requires service providers to look for other indicators of age and override the one reported by the OS.
It’s always funny when Apple fanboys try to whitewash its brand.
“Apple is the most private mobile operating system there is that cares for its users that stands up to governments” until it doesn’t but that’s still great because it is how it is and apple has to obey laws and its fine because they hide their involvement with feds so well with marketing, and the cult accepts whatever they do, so they get a pass.
Have you tried not being a cult member to manufacture consent for corporations?
That or PR agencies are picking up fediverse to push people into being docile consumers.
Not a single word in this rant has any relevance to my comment.
Kinda just sounds like you were looking for an excuse to aggressively rant at someone. I don’t know how you came away thinking they were an apple fanboy after reading that comment full of ifs and general skepticism.
purely legal conformation standpoint
It’s still stupid even if it’s required by law.
The technical implementation, or the law itself?
Law itself
Yeah, no doubt.
What the actual fuck???
Disgusting.
Holy. Shit.
2026, the year of the PWA.
Unfortunately, Google and Apple have crippled PWAs. Surprise, surprise. They don’t get the attention, features, or bug fixes native apps get.
But also, a lot of apps are just views into websites anyway. So I bet a lot of apps could just be PWAs.
The main hurdle is getting people to install the PWAs instead of apps. It’s a different install flow.
Well, since I’m not doing that, that would prevent me from having to install the apps that every damned company seems to insist I install rather than having a website. Kinda makes me wish for this nonsense to come to the US.
Guess that is an epic time for android phones. Sike! Unfortunately, majority will do ID verification.
Stay small. If you get too big, the government will start bossing you around.
Nah, I really think Android is becoming worse. In six months we won’t be able to install unoficial apps. It won’t be long until this happens too
Nah, US sheeple will still purchase iPhones, cos for them it is sth of a status symbol.
For god’s sake can corporations and governments stop trying to
control and survey peopledo the job of parents and society. If parents are not doing their job then you need better awareness and education not to take over.Pretty sure everyone understand it’s not about the age.
