Very, very, iirc, but likely one of the reasons women in 40k aren’t space marines is that they are genetically enhanced, as well as have multiple organs implanted. I would assume the whole gene splicing piece is probably the hangup.
Again iirc, they are pseudoclones of their primarchs who are pseudoclones of the big E.
I would assume a trans woman could be a space marine then? They probably would never know they were trans though, the life of males that eventually become space marines aren’t exactly ones with enough space for that kinda introspection just a constant struggle to survive in some of the most hellish places in the Imperium.
There are also the Adapteus Sororitas, plenty of women in the Imperial Guard, and honestly brutally bad ass women all over the 40k universe.
What about the gene splicing is inherently for “male” only? Because we’re getting into that sexist ignorance territory pretty immediately.
If you say "there has to be a Y chromosome, that is, outrageously silly and makes very little sense. But even if so, there are plenty of men who don’t have a Y chromosome and plenty of women who don’t.
If you say they become a clone of the emperor’s clones, it’s pretty easy to have a cross sex clone. It’s kind of how real life offspring take on genes from their parents and all kinds of outcomes occur, and offspring are still very much basically clones with minor mutations of their parents, with variations. Like if you said they were EXACT clones, like in Star wars, then sure. But they really aren’t, to my limited knowledge.
This just really feels like there not being enough representation in the same way in the 80s how
“he” was the default pronoun for a subject. But a lot of people are like NUH UHH THAT MEANS THERE WERE ONLY WHITE MEN AND NO FEMALE AUTHORITY FIGURES which is insane. Like, imagine believing skin color in the vast universe meant anything. Or like throughout the countless planets and solar systems that only XY men of scandanavian descent that lived in similar UV and dietary and other stressor ecosystems were the strongest. Like, if anything, it would be people who settled and evolved in the harshest, and most competitive environments and ecosystems, not warm weather tall people who recently migrated to become pale and unhealthy but then became well fed.
It’s far more likely that to become a Space Marine, it’s not limited to any specific demographic, and it’s the best that whatever planet puts forth. And likely it’s like some other variation of brown skin, post-human evolution, a la every earth-human demographic breeding together and then 40,000 years later looking nothing like us.
Also, the battle sisters are about as token as an all black army. It’s fucked up.
It’s honestly likely similar to the custodes and just… Burly massive people who probably don’t even have any sort of genitals anymore because that doesn’t matter. Like imagine 40,000 years of breeding humans with og-batman bane levels of steroids. Like it just doesn’t matter anymore at that point.
I’d consider myself a “casual fan” of 40k, and I think there’s two important things to consider:
As with most “outsider hobbies” being brought into the mainstream and examined with a broader lens, there’s always going to be pushback from various chud subgroups that feel like they’re the only ones who “earned it.” Fuck those people. Continuing to amplify their voices helps them push people away, which is bad for the hobby, bad for the community, and bad for the people they want to push down and away. Goofing around and coming up with your own silly little stories that trample over canon is half the fun. Fuck anyone who says otherwise, and double-fuck anybody who is willing to selectively apply canon only to reinforce their prejudices.
I think it’s fair to say that space marines being explicitly cis-males is a natural narrative conclusion based on the context. A continuing narrative element in 40K is that everybody is awful. Just the worst. Like, beyond terrible. Anybody who unironically thinks they’re identifying with “the good guys” is missing the criticism that’s pointed right at them. The Imperium of man is a very heavy-handed caricature of the failings of european history. The Crusades, Nazi Germany, Organized Christianity (Particularly Catholics), hell imperialism is literally right there in the name. The God-Emperor of Mankind is a hypermasculine narcissist born in the middle east and destined to rule over all mankind. He hand-crafted 20 big, burly dude-bros to be his children (because that other guy only had 12 eyeroll). These primarchs then are the progenitors for their million man-children to explore the galaxy, and committing themselves to their greco-roman warrior ethos of committing genocide and naked oil wrestling. Is it really that hard to believe that sky-daddy space-hitler wouldn’t have enough misogyny in him to code out a “no girls allowed” sign into his magic cummies to make sure that no ladies can interrupt the volleyball montages?
The usual gotcha question chuds like to ask in response to female space marines is “So you think the sororitas should have dudes?” I posit that the correct question is "you think there should be more women in the Village People?
Very, very, iirc, but likely one of the reasons women in 40k aren’t space marines is that they are genetically enhanced, as well as have multiple organs implanted. I would assume the whole gene splicing piece is probably the hangup.
Again iirc, they are pseudoclones of their primarchs who are pseudoclones of the big E.
I would assume a trans woman could be a space marine then? They probably would never know they were trans though, the life of males that eventually become space marines aren’t exactly ones with enough space for that kinda introspection just a constant struggle to survive in some of the most hellish places in the Imperium.
There are also the Adapteus Sororitas, plenty of women in the Imperial Guard, and honestly brutally bad ass women all over the 40k universe.
As just a casual observer, I’ve always understood that the space marines’ gender is space marine.
What about the gene splicing is inherently for “male” only? Because we’re getting into that sexist ignorance territory pretty immediately.
If you say "there has to be a Y chromosome, that is, outrageously silly and makes very little sense. But even if so, there are plenty of men who don’t have a Y chromosome and plenty of women who don’t.
If you say they become a clone of the emperor’s clones, it’s pretty easy to have a cross sex clone. It’s kind of how real life offspring take on genes from their parents and all kinds of outcomes occur, and offspring are still very much basically clones with minor mutations of their parents, with variations. Like if you said they were EXACT clones, like in Star wars, then sure. But they really aren’t, to my limited knowledge.
This just really feels like there not being enough representation in the same way in the 80s how “he” was the default pronoun for a subject. But a lot of people are like NUH UHH THAT MEANS THERE WERE ONLY WHITE MEN AND NO FEMALE AUTHORITY FIGURES which is insane. Like, imagine believing skin color in the vast universe meant anything. Or like throughout the countless planets and solar systems that only XY men of scandanavian descent that lived in similar UV and dietary and other stressor ecosystems were the strongest. Like, if anything, it would be people who settled and evolved in the harshest, and most competitive environments and ecosystems, not warm weather tall people who recently migrated to become pale and unhealthy but then became well fed.
It’s far more likely that to become a Space Marine, it’s not limited to any specific demographic, and it’s the best that whatever planet puts forth. And likely it’s like some other variation of brown skin, post-human evolution, a la every earth-human demographic breeding together and then 40,000 years later looking nothing like us.
Also, the battle sisters are about as token as an all black army. It’s fucked up.
It’s honestly likely similar to the custodes and just… Burly massive people who probably don’t even have any sort of genitals anymore because that doesn’t matter. Like imagine 40,000 years of breeding humans with og-batman bane levels of steroids. Like it just doesn’t matter anymore at that point.
I’d consider myself a “casual fan” of 40k, and I think there’s two important things to consider:
As with most “outsider hobbies” being brought into the mainstream and examined with a broader lens, there’s always going to be pushback from various chud subgroups that feel like they’re the only ones who “earned it.” Fuck those people. Continuing to amplify their voices helps them push people away, which is bad for the hobby, bad for the community, and bad for the people they want to push down and away. Goofing around and coming up with your own silly little stories that trample over canon is half the fun. Fuck anyone who says otherwise, and double-fuck anybody who is willing to selectively apply canon only to reinforce their prejudices.
I think it’s fair to say that space marines being explicitly cis-males is a natural narrative conclusion based on the context. A continuing narrative element in 40K is that everybody is awful. Just the worst. Like, beyond terrible. Anybody who unironically thinks they’re identifying with “the good guys” is missing the criticism that’s pointed right at them. The Imperium of man is a very heavy-handed caricature of the failings of european history. The Crusades, Nazi Germany, Organized Christianity (Particularly Catholics), hell imperialism is literally right there in the name. The God-Emperor of Mankind is a hypermasculine narcissist born in the middle east and destined to rule over all mankind. He hand-crafted 20 big, burly dude-bros to be his children (because that other guy only had 12 eyeroll). These primarchs then are the progenitors for their million man-children to explore the galaxy, and committing themselves to their greco-roman warrior ethos of committing genocide and naked oil wrestling. Is it really that hard to believe that sky-daddy space-hitler wouldn’t have enough misogyny in him to code out a “no girls allowed” sign into his magic cummies to make sure that no ladies can interrupt the volleyball montages?
The usual gotcha question chuds like to ask in response to female space marines is “So you think the sororitas should have dudes?” I posit that the correct question is "you think there should be more women in the Village People?
Hell yeah.
(Awaiting…)
i had such big feels that i stopped for dinner in the middle, lol.