• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    At this point I think it’s safe to say we’re locked into the dystopian future and the utopic one was but a dream.

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      Fun fact:
      The guy that coined the term Utopia, actually meant for it to act as a pun, for “no such place” or to imply it was a false dream.
      Such as, people will use the mirage of a utopia to hide the very real dystopia that this path creates.

      A Eutopia is an actually “good place”. A thing we have not been working towards. George Orwell also called his society a Utopia as it was a false good place.

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      4 days ago

      I imagine you would be fired and charged for destruction of property and then they would make you feel bad by having you apologize to your coworkers for hindering their ability to put forth more work.

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      I found this review paper interesting and I don’t doubt that nicotine can have therapeutic effects but the funding source worried me.

      Conflict of interest

      Authors YC, XW, XZ, HT, YZ, JZ, and SZ were employed China Tobacco Anhui Industrial Co., Ltd.

      The remaining authors declare that the research was conducted in the absence of any commercial or financial relationships that could be construed as a potential conflict of interest.

      The authors declare that this study received funding from Technology Project of Anhui Zhongyan Industry Co., Ltd. The funder had the involvement in the study design, data analysis, decision to publish, and preparation of the manuscript.

      Funding Statement The author(s) declare that financial support was received for the research, authorship, and/or publication of this article. This work was financially supported by the Technology Project of Anhui Zhongyan Industry Co., Ltd. (2022156), Science and Technology Projects of State Tobacco Monopoly Administration (110202201046XX-05), Startup Program of XMU and Fundamental Research Funds for the Central Universities.

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        I read through it and just thought they were being generous with the fact that they were stating the positives as mostly people with depression and ADHD self medicating with an addictive substance that didnt really help as much as cause a feedback loop that felt better but more addictive…

        The fact that they state the funders directly had involvement in the study… Oof.

  • oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip
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    5 days ago

    Fuck this to hell. I want tobacco to go extinct, not be more accessible.

    If there was a button that just made every tobacco plant (and the backups in that one seed vault place) die, I would keep pushing it for days just to make sure it was all gone. Including existing smoking products.

    Not sorry not sorry. Addicts all going cold turkey that day.

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      4 days ago

      As a nicotine addict, I wouldn’t advise this. Making every one of us go cold turkey in one moment will be the end of humanity. Nicotine withdrawal is no joke.

      I don’t understand your fury to be honest. It’s unhinged. So what happened to make you feel this way?

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      Yes drugs are bad, we should all have to rawdog experiencing the planet boiling.

      What an enlightened take, that’s positively upvoted — no less!

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      @oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip @Krauerking@lemy.lol
      @aboringdystopia@lemmy.world

      First, I don’t smoke and never had smoked (not considering the passive smoking from being close to smokers), the only “drug” I use non-frequently is alcohol (a vodka-saké beverage).

      This said, your paternalistic implied thought (“drugs are bad, people shouldn’t use drugs”; are their bodies yours, to begin with? Do you happen to have some kind of ownership over other’s bodies? Who gave you this almighty authority, do you happen to be a Demiurgal Archon of sorts?) is missing the forest for the trees.

      I’m barely knowledgeable about biology, but I know enough to remember about symbiotic relationships in nature, as well as phylogenetics. The plant responsible for tobacco wasn’t some kind of lab creation, IIRC tobacco plant even predates us homininae, and this means there are certainly species biologically interacting with the tobacco plant, perhaps species reliant of tobacco plant (not necessarily because of nicotine, but because it’s a plant which siphons nutrients and resources from the soil, displacing water and somehow contributing to water cycles).

      The moment this Archonic hubris illustrated by your text were to render tobacco extinct, unbeknownst to you, other species would be going extinct as well, and this may include humans due to how food web is so interconnected in ways we’re still trying to figure out. That’s part of why we try to classify species taxonomically and phylogenetically, because this is also valuable for us to identify potential interspecies relationships. I mean, this is exactly what phylogenetics is about: study of evolutionary relationships among biological entities.

      So, please, seek some phylogenetics and biology awareness before feeding paternalistic, bigoted anti-drug thoughts. Others bodies aren’t yours for you to wish for control, let alone other species.

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        this guy is a proto-fascist, everything I don’t like must be forbidden.
        And then taking some sadistic pleasure in it.
        What a nasty thing.
        I would gladly start smoking again just to have the pleasure of blowing my smoke in to this fucker’s face and watching him seethe.

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    5 days ago

    Always with the “extract every ounce of yourself for us”, never with the “take care of yourself to maximize your potential for us”.