Otoh, rideshare offers far more flexibility for workers. And they created legitimate value via the user-friendliness of their apps. And as much as it is bemoaned, the star rating system made taking a cab far more pleasant.
I’m honestly quite confused by this idea that every job in the economy must provide the job-holder with full and unequivocal economic security. In my view, many jobs simply are gigs. They need to get done, but the nature of the work means that they will never be a super-consistent source of income. And that’s okay - many people are quite happy to piece together their income from multiple sources in order to have more flexibility.
Cool, I’m sure when your job becomes a gig you will enjoy the extra “flexibility”. I have this very radical idea that people doing something that other people need, for a large portion of their available working hours, should have economic security.
I’m a concert rigger. My job is already a gig. I like it. I just got back from spending 3 months in mexico. Texted my boss “hey, I’m back in town”, and he started putting me on shifts again.
Flexibility is only useful if you already make a decent wage and don’t have a megacorporation constantly trying to steal your wages and avoid local regulation so it can shit on your rights. Otherwise it’s just an euphemism for being a treated like a disposable cog.
In my view, it is more the difference between something that is pretty good vs something that is perfect. After all, supposing you are getting paid the same hourly rate, would you rather get paid for 20 hours of work, or 0?
Taking the example of ridesharing, for example - if you are looking for a job, and it is all restricted to traditional cab companies, they might not be able to afford to pay you full time plus benefits to work for them, so you get $0 working as a cabbie. And the result is that there are fewer people driving cabs, and therefore higher prices for cabs, and therefore fewer people taking cabs (and maybe driving drunk). The result of requiring full time pay for all rideshare drivers isn’t that all the drivers get full time pay - it is that a lot of them get laid off.
In either the case of having UBI or not having it, presumably you would prefer to be making some income over no income?
Again, this “minimum wage causes unemployment” fantasy. This is just nonsense meant to justify poverty wages.
It is hard to find a negative effect on employment effect of rises in the minimum wage: the elusive
employment effect. It is much easier to find an impact on wage.
Just because the legal system is bad doesn’t make an illegal system better. You fix the legal problem.
"I can’t find a cab doesn’t mean the solution is unregulated gig workers.
“Don’t worry if an independent contractor rapes you, just give him 1 star and the free market will fix the problem.”
Think of how much money Starbucks would save if they made their employees provide their own coffee machines, beans and paper cups. That’s where it’s going.
“Don’t worry if an independent contractor rapes you, just give him 1 star and the free market will fix the problem.”
Would love to hear other perspectives but I personally feel much safer in an Uber where I know the entire ride is being tracked by a corporation that won’t risk its reputation to retain a potentially creepy driver.
It’s the other way around. An employer is legally responsible for an employee’s actions while working. Uber says, “They’re not employees, they just use our app.” So Uber has no incentive to carefully vet drivers. It’s only after an Uber driver rapes someone that they kick them off their system.
Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved. (Not saying that equates to morally good though)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud. (Doesn’t stop people from getting scammed but the same is true for cash)
Copyright laws basically always majorly benefit the corporation who owns it rather then an individual who actually created the thing. I also was a pirate in my younger years and in general believe information should be free and peoples needs should be met so they don’t have to necessarily try to profit off what should be an artistic expression.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer. A simple example is electronic music, a lot of musicians look down on electronic music artists because it’s not “real music”.
Edit: Fundamentally the issue/complaints from many are the user experience AND the problems with the corporations doing shitty corp stuff. I feel zero empathy for the prior companies that didn’t innovate at all and let their monopoly power print them money at the expense of the customer via corporate lobbying and such, however I’m under no illusion that the replacements are any better aside from their user experience lmao.
These results are so backwards. Does literally anyone feel bad for the legal cab companies? lol
About cab companies, not really. Often times they operate as a cartel. But they do have better working conditions for drivers and less precariousness
Otoh, rideshare offers far more flexibility for workers. And they created legitimate value via the user-friendliness of their apps. And as much as it is bemoaned, the star rating system made taking a cab far more pleasant.
I’m honestly quite confused by this idea that every job in the economy must provide the job-holder with full and unequivocal economic security. In my view, many jobs simply are gigs. They need to get done, but the nature of the work means that they will never be a super-consistent source of income. And that’s okay - many people are quite happy to piece together their income from multiple sources in order to have more flexibility.
Cool, I’m sure when your job becomes a gig you will enjoy the extra “flexibility”. I have this very radical idea that people doing something that other people need, for a large portion of their available working hours, should have economic security.
I’m a concert rigger. My job is already a gig. I like it. I just got back from spending 3 months in mexico. Texted my boss “hey, I’m back in town”, and he started putting me on shifts again.
Flexibility is only useful if you already make a decent wage and don’t have a megacorporation constantly trying to steal your wages and avoid local regulation so it can shit on your rights. Otherwise it’s just an euphemism for being a treated like a disposable cog.
Idk dude, me and my coworkers seem to like it alright. It sounds like you’re projecting some personal issues here
It seems like a lot of Uber drivers, the ones we were talking about, don’t like it, considering all the striking, unionizing, and lawsuits against Uber: https://jacobin.com/2023/01/new-york-city-uber-drivers-raise-strike-court-hearing
But please, do turn this into a “personal issue”, and ignore the facts.
What?! WTF talks like this? This reads like it was written by a marketroid.
Idk, an autist who hangs out on lemmy who understands basic economics?
If we had UBI or our basic needs met on the regular I’d agree with you
In my view, it is more the difference between something that is pretty good vs something that is perfect. After all, supposing you are getting paid the same hourly rate, would you rather get paid for 20 hours of work, or 0?
Taking the example of ridesharing, for example - if you are looking for a job, and it is all restricted to traditional cab companies, they might not be able to afford to pay you full time plus benefits to work for them, so you get $0 working as a cabbie. And the result is that there are fewer people driving cabs, and therefore higher prices for cabs, and therefore fewer people taking cabs (and maybe driving drunk). The result of requiring full time pay for all rideshare drivers isn’t that all the drivers get full time pay - it is that a lot of them get laid off.
In either the case of having UBI or not having it, presumably you would prefer to be making some income over no income?
Again, this “minimum wage causes unemployment” fantasy. This is just nonsense meant to justify poverty wages.
https://researchonline.lse.ac.uk/id/eprint/107415/1/manning_edit_revision.pdf
Just because the legal system is bad doesn’t make an illegal system better. You fix the legal problem.
"I can’t find a cab doesn’t mean the solution is unregulated gig workers.
“Don’t worry if an independent contractor rapes you, just give him 1 star and the free market will fix the problem.”
Think of how much money Starbucks would save if they made their employees provide their own coffee machines, beans and paper cups. That’s where it’s going.
Would love to hear other perspectives but I personally feel much safer in an Uber where I know the entire ride is being tracked by a corporation that won’t risk its reputation to retain a potentially creepy driver.
It’s the other way around. An employer is legally responsible for an employee’s actions while working. Uber says, “They’re not employees, they just use our app.” So Uber has no incentive to carefully vet drivers. It’s only after an Uber driver rapes someone that they kick them off their system.
Profits are higher than ever before! (For the companies, not the workers)
I can’t help but feel like all of this is propaganda.
Like what’s with people all of a sudden defending Cab Companies, Hotel Chains, the Central Bank (or your countries equivalent), or Copyright law.
People rightly complained about all these things but now actually those are all somehow good
So all those things, but illegal are better? lol
Yes and no, when laws stop being about what’s right/wrong and start being written for the benefit of entrneched corporations and their interests…
People aren’t defending those things. They’re pointing out how these replacements are so much worse.
The replacements aren’t actually worse though.
Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved. (Not saying that equates to morally good though)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud. (Doesn’t stop people from getting scammed but the same is true for cash)
Copyright laws basically always majorly benefit the corporation who owns it rather then an individual who actually created the thing. I also was a pirate in my younger years and in general believe information should be free and peoples needs should be met so they don’t have to necessarily try to profit off what should be an artistic expression.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer. A simple example is electronic music, a lot of musicians look down on electronic music artists because it’s not “real music”.
Edit: Fundamentally the issue/complaints from many are the user experience AND the problems with the corporations doing shitty corp stuff. I feel zero empathy for the prior companies that didn’t innovate at all and let their monopoly power print them money at the expense of the customer via corporate lobbying and such, however I’m under no illusion that the replacements are any better aside from their user experience lmao.
That’s not crypto.
If you get scammed using an old fashioned credit card, the credit card company yoinks your money back for you from the scammer.
If you transfer crypto it’s gone.