What the title says. Well intentioned, often other “neurodivergent” people look at your life, your autism, and say: “you should mask harder.”
For example, I accidentally said something that offended a friend. Won’t go into detail, but it was me unintentionally coming off as arrogant, not something bad like a slur or hate speech.
I asked for advice (elsewhere) and the advice was universally, “you see, NT avoid this topic at all costs. Going forwards, know it is best to avoid this topic.”
But isn’t this just saying “mask harder and be more palatable for everyone else”?
Every piece of “autism advice” I see even in “neurodivergent friendly” communities is basically “how to be less autistic.”
I don’t think this is a NT vs Autism thing. There are topics that, depending on the environment, are taboo and not to be discussed. Figuring out these rules is confusing (or at least, not automatic) for Autistic peeps, but actually following the rules is something both NT and autistic people must do. Whether or not you call it masking, it’s still something that both groups are subjected to.
I don’t see how it can’t be a NT vs autism thing.
They’re only taboo subjects because society (primarily NTs) decided they were taboo.
Autistic people have to follow the rules set by NTs, not the other way around.
I’m 50/50 on this.
People running a social scene (generally NTs) set the cadence, yes.
Thoughts/questions/ponderings:
Some taboos exist for good reason and apply across the board. We don’t greet strangers by asking them how their genitals are feeling, for example (although that would be hilarious).
I think I agree with Savvy more.
Autistic people generally have either far fewer than allistics or if they have some kind of social obsession potentially they have a whole world of rules of their own that even allistics will struggle with.
But yeah generally, in my own case: 1) Don’t be irrationally or sadistically mean.
That’s basically it. You can be irrational/strange around me and at most I’ll be surprised due it being unexpected and my “mask software” wont have a response to load and I’ll freeze up for a bit. You can even be mean if there is sufficient justification for it. Maybe I fucked up bad.
Now, “being mean” a fairly broad category and I have specific obsessive silos of topics I don’t want broken, but that’s on the basis of a “info hazard”. Mainly: discussions of poop or story spoilers. But if someone ends up breaking those “Rules” I don’t hold it against them because they could not have known that I have a severe aversion to both of those things, I just warn them and move on.
Yes but they’d probably be documented, FAQ’d, etc. Autistic people would tell rule violators to RTFM.
If the autistic person got upset at the person for breaking a norm the allistic was unfamiliar with they’d be being unfair assuming there was no good reason for them to have known in the first place.
I unironically would be pretty comfortable in a society that did that. At worst I’d probably be confused by why this was the thing people asked about but if I encountered a society that did such and I learned that as a common greeting I’d settle in fine.
When I was young (late 1970s), “How’s it hangin’?” was actually a common greeting. Not usually to strangers, granted, but pretty common.
That last line reminds me of Goku patting people’s genitals in DB to determine their gender lmao
Rules are easy for my autistic self, it’s when the rules are pointless, never explained, and enforced purely on vibe. For instance, as a rule you should always rinse and brush away as much of the gunk on dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. This isn’t hard to understand or follow for me, it makes perfect sense. Now if the rule is to “read the room” ok, cool that’s not specific, it has no clear goal, it’s entirely vague. But it’s also against reading the room to ask about reading the room and when asked NT people can’t generally explain the structure to the rule.
“Read the room” is not a rule. “Read the room” is a skill of knowing how the people in the room are feeling.
The rule that skill serves is, “don’t say things that people in the room can’t handle hearing right now”
Obvious example: avoid chattering happily about your recent raise in front of people who are miserable they just got laid off.
Usually, people dismissively saying “read the room” mean, “I know that you are capable of feeling and understanding other people’s emotions, would you please fucking pay attention to that skill right now?” (This is plenty common even for not-autistic people) But of course for autistic people that assumption is just incorrect. People saying that to autistic people need to read the room.
I’m sorry but I completely disagree, read the room is entirely a rule. If you think social expectations are merely skills and not rules then idk where to really take this because society, socializing, it’s all rules of which skill can allow you to bend and sometimes break. For instance it’s against the rules to be happy at a funeral, even if you’re happy but if you’re socially skilled you can manage it.
I think you’re getting stuck on people saying “read the room” not all the unspoken rules that ND people have to navigate simply because not doing it is rude. If I get asked “how are you” and I reply “I don’t know why I’m alive anymore” I am considered an asshole not the person asking questions they don’t want answers to. I have to follow the unspoken rules that they don’t really give a fuck about me, they don’t care how I’m doing, and that I need to lie even if I’m uncomfortable with it because they forced me to.