• ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    is that how you justify to yourself your side ruling the world with an iron fist?

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        capitalism and imperialism is unprecedented in it’s global reach. if you look at human history you will see mostly asshole leaders being violently deposed whenever they start getting cocky.

        it’s that time of existential threat again, and we shouldn’t hide behind empty claims of human nature for our duty when it has been shown time and again a better world is possible.

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          If you look at human history you will mostly see

          Mostly? No you do not lol

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            this is either defeatism or justification for inaction. in a we can’t possibly improve things so let’s succumb to nuclear winter (despite things being much better not that many years ago) kind of way.

            that just isn’t true at all for most of humanity’s history. we lived in relatively peaceful communes for the vast majority of our history. human nature is cooperative.

            and you might be way too used to western antics to notice quite a lot of our leaders did the best they could throughout history.

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        So do you believe humans are, at their core and regardless of system, predisposed to destroy the planet?

        Taking this frame of thinking to its inevitable end, you’re either going to mow down as many people as a first step towards omnicide or you’ve given up and you’re resigned with the destruction of the world, proving to yourself that if you aren’t willing to do something to “improve” things, it must be human nature. This is obviously not me saying to go do an omnicide, but your blackpilled frame of thinking is self-enforcing. If you felt like there was a better solution out there and that socialism was a direction towards less destruction such that generations after us could keep moving towards something better, you’d be able to help build it, but you don’t, so you are chained to your doom, determined to chain us with you. The handful of capitalists busy fucking the world thank you for giving up.

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            But it’s because I know how much better things could be if humans could simply work together.

            Yes, this is what socialism is going to achieve! Hop on board. If you know things could be better and this current system incentivizes destructive competition rather than working together, wouldn’t it make sense to think that a system that incentivizes cooperation leads to more cooperation as a default?

            I’ve seen, in times of great crisis, people work together and help each other out even without being prompted or rewarded. But when the system is working normally, when people are going about their day-to-day, they might ignore a stranger in need or participate in convenient routines like fast food that harm the environment. I’m not arguing for us to be in a great crisis constantly, but it shows that people are hungry for connection and cooperation; it’s just the system that alienates people and ignores consequences caused by its existence. Capitalism isn’t an inevitability just as the divine right of kings wasn’t.

            but I’ve seen time and time again that that’s not going to happen.

            Yes, capitalists make sure to stop cooperation and self-reliance any chance they can get. They bomb and starve the solution to convince people that the solution doesn’t exist or isn’t viable. This doesn’t make socialism less of a solution.