Yea I hear you, all the heavy duty EVs are still expensive. They’ll come down in price over time. Here’s a used 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning for $37,888. If what you have works for you then that’s great, but electric vehicles CAN do what your gas powered vehicle does right now, just still expensive because of tariffs and other financial fuckery.
We’ll get some in the future, I wish I was in a position to design one. I don’t know why US companies are so fascinated with building luxury trucks. It’s a tool, I don’t need fancy bells and whistles.
Can you be any more disingenuous? Have I claimed that switching to an EV is a mistake? I can’t afford one. I’m a struggling solopreneur with a 17-year-old pickup truck. If I had the level of expendable income Amazon has, I’d be more than happy to splurge 80k€ on an equivalent EV.
I’m not a long distance driver and I have driven 40K Km. That, with a diesel, would have costed me near 4K€. I’ve spend less than 1K€. And remember: no oil change, less moving parts, less noise, …
Look for the difference in price and think how many Km you have to drive to get back your money. Even if it’s 20K it will be cheaper if you use it for work.
35k€ buys me fuel for 17 years, but it doesn’t buy me an EV pickup truck. Those cost upwards of 50k€ used. I drive an ancient truck for a reason - I don’t have that kind of money to throw at a new one. Telling me to spend money I don’t have now so I can “save” it in the future is just ignorant.
It’s completely fair that these vehicles are still out of your price range! It’s also valid that the vehicle you have now has a slightly higher usage cost than an EV. Right now the financials still don’t work for your use case, mostly because you need a truck so I get where you’re coming from. While the market matures, I’d expect we will eventually see more EV truck options at more reasonable prices and then the used market will also expand. I found an F150 lightning (discontinued) for $22K online. We’re not far from the reality where most people in the market to buy a car can afford the upfront price of an EV but we’re definitely not there yet. I will say that I have saved around $9k on gas alone in the almost 6 years of ownership of an EV sedan. However, my net cost is still over $30K without factoring in the low maintenance costs.
There’s about 8k between the cheapest EV and the cheapest gas car. Whatever difference is overshadowed by the cost of gas.
You are looking for reasons.
I have no use for the cheapest EV. I need a vehicle that’s able to transport more than just me. My livelihood depends on it.
Yea I hear you, all the heavy duty EVs are still expensive. They’ll come down in price over time. Here’s a used 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning for $37,888. If what you have works for you then that’s great, but electric vehicles CAN do what your gas powered vehicle does right now, just still expensive because of tariffs and other financial fuckery.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/5a31312f-0fba-4531-9f70-7986dfeab27c/
F-150 is way too big for me, but the cheapest one for sale here is a '23 model with 60k km on it and an 82k€ price tag.
Ideally I’d just want a super basic one - a pure utility vehicle with zero luxuries. Kinda like the Slate truck.
We’ll get some in the future, I wish I was in a position to design one. I don’t know why US companies are so fascinated with building luxury trucks. It’s a tool, I don’t need fancy bells and whistles.
Tell that to Amazon. They have changed all its vans to EV. You should warn them that they are making a mistake.
Can you be any more disingenuous? Have I claimed that switching to an EV is a mistake? I can’t afford one. I’m a struggling solopreneur with a 17-year-old pickup truck. If I had the level of expendable income Amazon has, I’d be more than happy to splurge 80k€ on an equivalent EV.
I’m not a long distance driver and I have driven 40K Km. That, with a diesel, would have costed me near 4K€. I’ve spend less than 1K€. And remember: no oil change, less moving parts, less noise, …
You just keep ignoring the price of the vehicle itself.
Look for the difference in price and think how many Km you have to drive to get back your money. Even if it’s 20K it will be cheaper if you use it for work.
35k€ buys me fuel for 17 years, but it doesn’t buy me an EV pickup truck. Those cost upwards of 50k€ used. I drive an ancient truck for a reason - I don’t have that kind of money to throw at a new one. Telling me to spend money I don’t have now so I can “save” it in the future is just ignorant.
It’s completely fair that these vehicles are still out of your price range! It’s also valid that the vehicle you have now has a slightly higher usage cost than an EV. Right now the financials still don’t work for your use case, mostly because you need a truck so I get where you’re coming from. While the market matures, I’d expect we will eventually see more EV truck options at more reasonable prices and then the used market will also expand. I found an F150 lightning (discontinued) for $22K online. We’re not far from the reality where most people in the market to buy a car can afford the upfront price of an EV but we’re definitely not there yet. I will say that I have saved around $9k on gas alone in the almost 6 years of ownership of an EV sedan. However, my net cost is still over $30K without factoring in the low maintenance costs.