• lad@programming.dev
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      19 days ago

      Yes, it’s literally non sequitur. And a very popular propaganda move: [country A] is good because [country B] is worse. In fact, it usually is not even relatively good if there’s a need for such ‘argument’

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        19 days ago

        Nothing in your rant justifies Russia invading a sovereign country, murdering its citizens or deporting its children.

        Arguing agaist a nonexistent “pro US” stance and using it to morally justify Russia is exactly the kind of nonsense I was pointing out.

          • The American playbook is: coup unfriendly regime, install friendly government, get trade agreements, use economic dominance to enrich the US via trade (with the occasional “set up US company to take control of natural resources”). The US was very open that they liked Putin because it seemed he would be liberalising Russia for a while, which furthered American corporate interests in Russia.

            Putin turning ultranationalist has thrown a massive wrench into that plan, because now US corporations are being forced to exit Russia again. The damage that that is doing is greater than what Lockheed Martin gets for supplying weapons. It’s also in part why Trump, beholden to US corporate interests, is so keen to end the war. Because that makes the US more money than keeping it going. And as it happens, that’s also what Putin wants because he can pressure Trump to end the war in Russia’s favour.

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              18 days ago

              The US was very open that they liked Putin because it seemed he would be liberalising Russia for a while

              They liked Gorbachoev and especially Yeltsin for being a CIA stooge privatsing Russia with western capital. Putin turned away from that pretty early on.

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        19 days ago

        The USSR did not fall because of a US coup. It collapsed because of its own internal contradictions.

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        19 days ago

        “Nothing to eat for 10 years” is the find out part of Russia fucking around.

        They are no better than the Nazis. Exact same MO. Occupy countries through Imperalistic expansion, genocide the local population, and make simps like you eat up their propaganda.

        I look forward to the upcoming Russian collapse. Would be nice if they stop spreading nuclear weapons to terrorists like North Korea and Iran first.

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            18 days ago

            Imagine actually thinking that anyone is to blame for this besides Russia. How about you stop being a coward with your garbage ideology and take ownership of your actions instead of blaming everyone else?

            This is why you losers don’t mean anything to the world. You commit crimes against humanity, you support the worst dictators in the world, and you subjugate people while pretending you’re anything but murdering thieves.

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            18 days ago

            You are the warmonger for white washing russian attrocities.

            Why is North Korea involved now?

            You want Ukrainians to die and you don’t care.

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              18 days ago

              Anyone supporting war to the last Ukrainian because they want the opportunity to colonize them under NATO are the ones who want Ukrainians to die.

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                16 days ago

                “Colonize them under NATO” LOL

                Those poor oppresssd NATO countries with their voluntary admission to a defensive pact so garbage like you nazi Russians can’t steal their land… again.

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                  16 days ago

                  NATO simps cannot be considered democracies. They are colonies with managed electoral outcomes, and a devotion to sacrificing their people for US empire. It should not be permitted for anyone supporting literal Ukraine nazi apartheid ethnostate rulership to ever use the word nazi to describe anti-nazi opponents.

                  defensive pact

                  Obviously complete disinformation too, and certainly a paid troll to suggest something so absurd. If there is any hope to liberating people from demonism of US empire, it passes through traitors that try to claim “NATO is a purely defensive alliance” with a straight face.

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                    15 days ago

                    Okay, go enjoy your democratic People’s republic of Korea. That’s your style of democracy