I feel like everywhere I work, we have this term, and it’s become increasingly more common over the past decade as the USA becomes more and more hateful and aggressive towards the working class people… The offshore team. I really, really hate hearing about the offshore team. It’s from a certain country in Asia that starts with I But I have nothing against those people that come from that country, it’s simply out of concern for my well-being and my survival that it bothers me…
You look at a country like Germany, and how they have a workers council, and a country like France that has proper retirement, then you see the USA and how We have millions of computer science grads who struggle to find work, can’t get a job, universities churning out new students in the tens of thousands per year… We shouldn’t have an offshore team, at a company that makes billions of dollars, led by people that have so much money amassed up that they could survive for a thousand years spending millions.
It’s just embarrassing, that as a society, we are so horrible to each other.
I work with plenty of people from India. They’re pretty good at their jobs. They should be paid the same as us in the USA.
I don’t mind that they work on the other side of the world. I don’t mind them at all. I mind that the main reason why they’re hired is that my employer can pay them peanuts. They deserve better.
I’ve had really good and really bad experiences with contractor companies from India. It’s truly hit or miss and more often than not you don’t get the same quality of code or commitment (contractor or not)
That said, I agree with pay. They work for cheap and it really hurts the industry here at home while helping the c-suite pocket more of the profits.
I’ve met and worked with Indians who either were born in the US or migrated more than 5 years prior.
As it turns out they are just like the rest of us. There is definitely some racial stereotypes at play.
You had to work with Indians to realize they’re just like us? 💀
We are biased even if we don’t realize it. Its not that I had some sort of hate or something like that. I just found working with them to be eye opening to me. I conscious level I could care less about race. The thing is everyone is biased because that’s how our brains work. You will subconsciously make assumptions which may or may not be truth. It feels better to work with people that look like you because that is a survival trait.
To answer you question I didn’t believe Indians were or were not hard workers. However, I have met people who hate the Indians because they are all the same. I myself was simply unconsciously biased. If I were given the choice between a Indian and a white guy I would likely choose the White guy for some non racial reason. Bias is very had to avoid and you may be completely unaware you are being racist. What also bothers me is when companies go out of there way to hire someone because they are a minority instead of hiring because they are the best. If someone hired me based on race or disability I would be put down to say the least.
It sounds like one of the items you’re getting at may be separating nationality/ethnicity stereotypes from race stereotypes. Immigrants or children born in another country will have varying degrees of that cultural as part of their personality. Bartering comes to mind with Indians.
One I experienced recently was Hispanic drivers. We have a fairly large Mexican population here but I obviously can’t tell by appearance. There’s a certain combo of vehicle, modifications, and asshole driving style that would indicate to me the driver was probably hispanic. I took a trip a manufacturing Mexican city (read:non-Resort) and was shocked by the drivers. I saw the wildest maneuvers to get 2 cars ahead, every peice of pavement was valid for driving, and speeding is only avoided at checkpoints. Yet, I didn’t see any accidents, I didn’t hear any horns, I didn’t see any road rage. It was aggressive driving, but everyone just existed and cooperated. Obviously, if you’re the only one doing it, it makes you unpredictable and therefore it’s reckless, but damn, that adjusted my opinion so fast
You are being racist
What are you seeing that I’m not seeing to the same degree? We’re talking about subconscious biases here. I am aware the one city I visited does not represent a whole country, but being a large city, likely has significant representation in extranational communities. I do not assume a particular vehicle has a particular driver. All I assume is when someone drives unpredictably in sight (in comparison to the rest of the driving culture present), they’ll be just as unpredictable when I’m near them. Like, I’m trying to keep growing here and try to talk about why racial stereotypes often “feel” correct. I don’t see it as any different than judging your own race from a different region - for me, that’d be rude NYC people vs slow southerners or optimistic coastal Californians. I’m only talking about mannerisms that unintentionally get construed as racial.