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      I suppose the difference is that a country doesn’t just get conquered by force if it stops polluting.

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      Almost all pollution is by industries and not your parents, so…

      If anything you could criticize them if they voted to keep the pollution going.

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        I mean

        That’s true tho, pretty much nobody else murders Palestiniains but Israel still does.

        Change on all of these scales has to come from societies around the world, not from individuals.

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          pretty much nobody else murders Palestiniains but Israel still does.

          https://afsc.org/gaza-genocide-companies

          Shortly after Oct. 7, the U.S. government started transferring massive amounts of weapons to Israel. By Dec. 25, Israel received more than 10,000 tons of weapons in 244 cargo planes and 20 ships from the U.S. These transfers included more than 15,000 bombs and 50,000 artillery shells within just the first month and a half. These transfers have been deliberately shrouded in secrecy to avoid public scrutiny and prevent Congress from exercising any meaningful oversight. Between October and the beginning of March, the U.S. approved more than 100 military sales to Israel, but publicly disclosed only two sales. A list of known U.S. arms transfers is maintained by the Forum on the Arms Trade.

          Much of these weapons were purchased using U.S. taxpayers’ money through the Foreign Military Sales program, while some were direct commercial sales purchased through Israel’s own budget. An undisclosed amount of weapons was also transferred from U.S. military stockpiles already stored in Israel, known as War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I). The use of WRSA-I to provide Israel with weapons serves to further obfuscate the full picture of U.S. arms transfers, as there is no public record of these stockpiles’ inventory.

          This is a form of corporate welfare not only for the largest weapons manufacturers, like Lockheed Martin, RTX, Boeing, and General Dynamics, which have seen their stock prices skyrocket, but also for companies that are not typically seen as part of the weapons industry, such as Caterpillar, Ford, and Toyota (see below).

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            I’m not saying the US government and US citizens aren’t contributing, but almost nobody, and I did specify that earlier, is going to get out of their chair, fly to Israel, and pull the trigger. At the end of the day, Israelis are the ones killing people no matter where the weapons come from. Whether or not each individual american decides to fly to palestine to commit a war crime doesn’t have any impact on the war crimes being committed: votes do.

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              almost nobody, and I did specify that earlier, is going to get out of their chair, fly to Israel, and pull the trigger

              Why would you need to fly to Israel when you can pilot a drone bomber from Langley?

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                The USA has admitted to using their own surveillance drones over Gaza, do you have a source on the USA troops or remotely operated equipment firing into Gaza?

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                  do you have a source on the USA troops or remotely operated equipment firing into Gaza?

                  Not without a security clearance.