• Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        11·
        2 months ago

        The association between gender and the noun is in large part (albeit not completely) arbitrary. In this case, since Halter is a “masculine” noun, the compound Büstenhalter is “masculine” too. So it gets the “masculine” article der.

        If it helps, instead of looking at German genders as “masculine vs. feminine vs. neuter”, look at them as “der gender vs. die gender vs. das gender”.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            4·
            2 months ago

            Wo ist der Bu… die B… fein, wo ist das gelbe Ding?

            Jokes aside, it’s common in gendered languages to have a handful of nouns with a variable gender. In this case, it was likely caused by regularisation; the word is originally feminine but it looks masculine, so eventually you got people using the masculine with it.

            (I think that der Butter is specially common in Ba-Wü and Switzerland, but I’m not too sure.)

            For reference, examples of the same happening in other languages:

            • Catalan - el mar (masculine) vs. la mar (feminine). Both mean “the sea”. I think that “el mar” is due to Castilian interference, given that Castilian uses primarily the masculine while Occitan uses primarily the feminine.
            • Portuguese - o omelete (masculine) vs. a omelete (feminine). Both refer to omelet, frittata etc. The masculine is more common but it makes pedants scream bloody murder.
            • Tja@programming.dev
              2·
              2 months ago

              At least in castillian “la mar” is only used in poetry and phrases like “me cago en la mar” or “la mar de bonito”, otherwise is always masculine as you said.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            3·
            2 months ago

            That works too. Perhaps even better than calling them “genders”, as if this sort of system was exclusively related to social gender. (Often a grammatical gender / noun class system has nothing to do with social gender; cue to Bantu languages.)

      • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
        10·
        2 months ago

        Of course they do. There is no actual rule to it. You just have to know. Often words ending in “er” are male, but not all of them. It’s one of the reasons German is so difficult. Just avoid it. English is easy and efficient.