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    Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire. I can’t see why this would be any different.

    Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal or did the US and Israel just throw this together to paint Hamas as unreasonable when they reject it again? None of the articles I’ve read have made any effort to clarify who drew this up beyond vaguely gesturing at Israel, US, and Egypt.

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      Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire.

      Palestinian officials have advocated for a permanent ceasefire, with the expectation that any concessions they extract from the Israelis will be forfeit as soon as a temporary ceasefire closes.

      Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal

      Right now, the primary advocates on behalf of the Palestinians are Qatari and Egyptian officials with sympathies toward their Arab neighbors. Any actual members of Hamas have been playing cat-and-mouse with Israeli assassins, which has in turn made the Israeli demands for a proper accounting of hostages very difficult.

      After all, if you clearly state how many hostages survived the carpet-bombing of Northern Gaza, the Israelis can use that figure to coordinate their strikes in and around the southern end.

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    8 months ago

    For those repeatedly reporting this:

    “Talks took place in Doha, the Qatari capital, on Saturday and were expected to move to Cairo on Sunday as the scale of looming starvation pushed the US to start air-dropping food into the enclave.”

    The Israeli agreement apparently happened in Doha, but won’t be official until they sign the agreement in Cairo… where they may not actually show up.

    It’s passed Sunday into Monday, so we’ll see where it goes, but I’m frankly not optimistic.

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      Its curious to see how the media narrative has turned in the wake of some of these primary votes. Biden’s gone from “Israel can do no wrong” to “We’re doing everything we can (short of denying them more weapons and diplomatic cover at the UN) to stop these atrocities”.

      I have to wonder what happens as we close in on the general election and Trump goes all in on being pro-Palestinian genocide. Do the Democrats rediscover their love of human rights and rules based international order? Or do they all double back and try to out-compete the Republicans on the “We Love Israel” front?

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        8 months ago

        Generally, it’s pro-Israel all the way down because of donations. That’s really all they care about.

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          It goes a bit beyond that, even. Israel is pivotal to the control of the Suez canal and a point of military access into the Persian Gulf for Western forces. They’re the guard dog of the Middle East, a central trading hub between the Mediterranean and the Indian Ocean, and an agricultural hub in a region notorious for drought. There are lots of reasons to support Zionism that go beyond just getting a bundler with an AIPAC affiliation channeling donor cash in your direction.

          To quote old Smoke’n Joe Biden, “If Israel did not exist, we would have to invent it.”

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    Hamas will never accept any offer that lets the young female hostages tell of their horrors. They’ll mull it over and find some excuse.

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      Its all projection, folks.

      Israeli military chief rabbi-designate under fire over remarks on rape

      Rabbi Colonel Eyal Karim’s remarks 14 years ago stirred controversy at the time and remain on an Israeli religious website today

      He responded that in the interests of maintaining warriors’ morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to “satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will”.

      His nomination on Monday as the military’s head rabbi by its chief of staff revived public debate over Karim. Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel’s best-selling newspaper, weighed in with a front-page headline that read: “New chief military rabbi: rape is permissible in a war”.

      UN experts condemn ‘credible’ reports of executions, sexual assault by Israeli soldiers

      The independent experts affiliated with the U.N. Human Rights Council said the allegations constitute “egregious human rights violations,” adding to criticisms of the Israeli war effort in Gaza as its military reportedly prepares a ground invasion of Rafah.

      “We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers,” the experts said. “At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence.”

      The release adds that some photographs of women in degrading circumstances had been distributed online by Israeli soldiers.

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        There has, to my knowledge, not been a single first-hand account of a woman saying “I was raped by Hamas”. All of it is based on anonymous eye witnesses, dead bodies Israel assures us were raped, or doctors speaking on behalf of returned hostages they refuse to name and have yet to come forward.

        For as much rape as supposedly went on it sure is strange that there aren’t at least a few victims speaking of their experiences, if only just to confirm it happened. I’m happy to believe women when there are women to believe.

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          There has, to my knowledge, not been a single first-hand account of a woman saying “I was raped by Hamas”.

          No sudden influx of women into Israeli rape crisis centers, either. No hospitals on record with a surge of sexual assault victims. It appears to be an entirely fabricated claim, intended to deflect the more embarrassing nature of the incident (Palestinian rebels overwhelming a poorly administered IDF checkpoint) by re-contextualizing a kind of massive prison break as a Clockwork Orange orgy of ultra-violence.

          I’m happy to believe women when there are women to believe.

          Well, unless they’re Palestinian women, in which case they can’t be trusted because they are Hamas.