People do like him. We call those people idiots.
You spelled Nazi’s wrong
Idiazis, perhaps?
He’s also “on the spectrum”, but using that term just makes people call you a superfan apologist, so that’s off the table. “Neurodivergent” also applies, but that word is now synonymous with persecuted virtue, so no luck there. There’s really no socially acceptable way to look at his behavior in any halfway objective manner, because “halfway objective” means superfan apologist. He’s become an anger-only subject.
What are you even saying? The term for him is fascist.
Yeah I know, the only acceptable way to discuss certain people is to scream how terrible they are and how much you hate them. I’m curious about the nature of behavior, and IMO Musk is behaving very differently now than say 20 years ago, which interests me. To you this probably looks like worship. Oh well.
It’s drugs. Drugs are the answer.
Copious amounts of ketamine.
No, it looks like you just want to understand, but don’t. I think the vitriol you’d get us because ppl assume either:
- how can you not understand or
- understanding is irrelevant, you don’t need to understand cancer to know it’s pathological and bad. I fall into this camp.
I think most don’t want to understand him, they want him gone. Threat assessment. I can relate; he needs to get got.
If “see a threat, take it down” were official policy, a friend of mine who is in a psych hospital at this moment probably would have been shot in the streets rather than taken into custody. It’s really just a matter of scale. AND I’M NOT SAYING MUSK IS RIGHT - but feel free to pretend I’m “on his side” and therefore evil, and douchevote my comment like a good clean-thought vigilante!
I’d be willing to be your friend is not a Lex Luthor-esque billionaire with plans for world domination. Sorry but cannot countenance equivocation with respect to Musk, there are scarcely comparable human beings with his malice and ability to project ill will.
Edited to add: I didn’t actually downvote you, nor suggest you were taking his side in my reply. What I did to was take the time to engage, and suggest you came off as not understanding the threat Musk posed vs “taking his side”. Feeling a bit like you are working overtime for the persecution angle here.
I hear you. I used to work at SpaceX. The current motherfucker is not the person I had exposure to, who wasn’t that terrible or that great, except for some novel approaches to problems.
His quirks have amplified, his god complex has ascended to the multiverse, and he’s now so far out of touch that he might as well already be on Mars.
Also the drugs. He’s winning the war on drugs by not leaving any for others.
Careful now, you’re dangerously close to making him sound like an actual human being. That’s not allowed in meme-driven binary culture. Everybody’s either Good or Evil. Don’t forget it!
Our echo chamber is so deep we think people hate him.
Both is true. Many still admire him, many (rightfully so) hate him. But even more people still don’t care.
At a event, I openly told people that I think Musk has no place in government.
Most people nodded. But two people at the end of the table had a face of, “Whaaaaat? What do you mean? He’s doing everything right!” Like this was the first time they heard of such conflict.
ya… i think the whole algorithm is a positive feedback loop. it keep feeding us whatever we want to hear… no matter which side we are on… so the algorithmis IS the echo chamber…
He was a liberal darling and tech god, even during Trump’s first term and a large part of Biden’s.
I always thought that was kinda fishy, and that teslas were really elitist and economically wasteful, but man, he had a following and loads of people worshipping him. I have whiplash, and I can only imagine how that conditioned him.
The lesson is: don’t worship people, especially living people. Even religious texts push forms of this, but that part seems to have been lost.
Having known several people who “snapped” and watching Musk for more than a decade, it really seems to me like that’s what happened in his case. But I’m not psychologist. Few people on social media seem curious about the nature of behavior and motives, most just want to feel like warriors against Evil.
Yeah, it reminds me of Kanye West.
It’s a bit different when someone with so much power “snaps” though.
Of course when powerful people snap the consequences for society can be terrible - this is why I believe in capping individual wealth. But I don’t know why it’s such a grievous offense to humanize the Darth Vaders of real life even the slightest bit. I think people are afraid not having a brutal hardline attitude about the bad guys is a sign of weakness - same old caveman shit as rednecks really.
How are Teslas “economically wasteful” compared to other cars of a similar size?
Because the model 3 is about 4000lb, and the higher tiers are even heavier. They’re all super expensive, even with tax breaks. The “comparable” cars are like huge luxury vehicles or massive SUVs.
That’s the nature of pure EVs. The drivetrain may be light, but the battery is extremely heavy.
If they were eco friendly, they’d have tiny (I’m talking like 5 horsepower) cheap, ridiculously gas efficient range extenders in them instead of massive batteries, which correspondingly needs a massive chassis, suspension, fire protection systems, higher power charging and control electronics and so on. That’s the nature of the EV: they’re like rockets, where you pay exponential costs for carrying more mass around because the “fuel” is so heavy. And that’s setting aside the production costs of something so massive.
And they’re mostly outfitted, and sold as, luxury vehicles, with the corresponding economic costs.
…Don’t get me wrong, I think EVs are incredible, the philosophy behind teslas is cool… But a 4000lb+ compact car, or a 6,600lb personal truck, are not economical or environmentally friendly, however you slice it.
The problem isnt nessecary telsa. Its the american culture. ‘Economical’ cars are looked down unpon. What sells is big trucks, suvs, or luxury cars. Telsa would had no chance of sucess if they didnt atleast appeal to the culture.
Not saying compact EVs cant have some sucess, the chevy bolt and nissan leaf are examples. But the amount sold are a drop in the bucket compared to the model 3… https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10567
I’m not American but having been to a few American cities. Boy do they really not give a shit about transportation outside of cars. Things can feel far apart and separated by so many lanes when you step away from the big cities.
This is fair.
Ugh, I hate how it’s big cars or nothing here, even in the city.
How are Teslas “economically wasteful” compared to other cars of a similar size?
“How are Teslas economically wasteful compared to other economically wasteful things?”
Don’t move goalposts.
Teslas, like all cars, are absurdly wasteful on an absolute scale. And it has fuck-all to do with the energy needed to propel them, by the way; the real waste is in the way they force cities to be ruined to shoehorn them in.
Yeah cars are economically wasteful, that’s obvious. I was just pointing out that that applies to all cars, not just Teslas.
I think a lot of people have mixed up the concept of ‘like’ and ‘envy’.
The people that supposedly ‘like’ him probably only feel that way because they wish to be like him (rich), but in reality that’s just envy.
Also, in reality, rich people don’t get rich by handing out their money, they get rich by taking all the money they can get.
Why would any intelligent person with more than two braincells in their head actually like a person that would just as soon spend your entire family’s life savings in 5 seconds?
Whenever I criticize Musk, people tell me I’m jealous, like he just gets an extra cookie that I don’t. No, I don’t think any one person should have the power that amount of money gives him. It’s a threat to democracy.
The more and more I think about this comparison, the more it makes sense: Muskrat = Pyro
