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Spectre@lemmy.ml to United States | News & Politics@lemmy.ml ·
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Western media before February of 2022 on Ukraine (Ukraine is full of Nazis), Western Media after February 2022 (Slava Ukraini!)

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Western media before February of 2022 on Ukraine (Ukraine is full of Nazis), Western Media after February 2022 (Slava Ukraini!)

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  • Unhinged Stopa 🏳️‍🌈@sopuli.xyz
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    And then I get downvoted for saying this instance is full of propaganda.

    • Spectre@lemmy.mlOP
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      “Facts that I don’t like are propaganda” - You

  • HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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    Probably because white supremacy takes a back seat to full scale invasion and genocide

    The existence of white supremacy and Nazism is only acceptable grounds for invading another country to Russia who coincidentally have way more Nazis and white supremacists than Ukraine does

    …or did anyways. Pretty sure the ranks of Russian Nazis has since been greatly reduced by Ukraine’s military

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      Ukraine was the one doing genocide of ethnic Russians done by far right Nazis with government political power. The territories with majority ethnic Russians decided to join Russia because of this.

      “Russian Nazis” that is ludicrous lmao. Nazis hate Russians. The Soviet Union was the one that destroyed the Nazis and the Nazis have always hated them ever since. Nazis are an existential threat to Russia and they know it, so they are trying to annihilate them. Right wing groups were the ones who caused the coup that put out of power the elected pro-Russian president. And Zelensky literally destroyed all left wing parties.

      • HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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        GTFO, no one believes your BS

    • Heyting@lemmy.ml
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      You can both recognise that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not justified and that Ukraine has a neonazi problem (partly caused by the US who funded neo nazi groups in the Soviet Union to resist the evil commies). Western media is whitewashing actual neo nazi militias in Ukraine. That’s a seriously dangerous precedent, especially as neo nazis are gaining a lot of ground in the West.

      • HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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        Every country has a neo Nazi problem if they have a nonzero number of them

        As far as I feel when Russia specifically is concerned, Patton was right.

        #PATTON WAS RIGHT

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          There’s different levels if neo nazi problems and Ukraine has a huge one. Even if you think the nazi’s are fighting the ‘good side’ in this war, they will use the opportunity to be racist and victimise minority groups. The US providing weapons to openly neo nazi Azov battalion really did not get the scrutiny it deserves.

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            The Azov Regiment has been a recurring theme of Russian propaganda

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              Is ‘propaganda’ another word for facts you don’t like? All my information on Azov battalion comes from Western sources. As I said, they’re openly neo nazi’s.

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                What a farce

                Azov was depoliticized when the militia group was absorbed into the national guard.

                Compared to the full scale invasion and the threat of Russian genocide, dealing with the minority of Ukranian neo Nazis that do not represent the whole of Ukrainian people is waaaay down the list of priorities

                People are so incredibly suspect when they think neo Nazis in Azov is a more pressing matter than the horrors of Bucha, also well documented by western sources

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                  ‘Depoloticized’ means prosecuting the nazi’s right? Or does it just mean that the nazi’s are still there, still wear their nazi symbols on their uniforms but are just a little bit more silent about it? Again, think of the consequences of openly nazi’s fighting in a war and what it means for the minority groups who live there.

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    Reporter: [REDACTED]
    Reason: False info

    Screenshots of Western media is false information… somehow.

    • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
    • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
    • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
    • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
    • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
    • Washington Post, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
    • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
    • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
    • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
    • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
    • New York Times, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

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