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Blaze@lemmy.zip to Map Enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz · 1 month ago

Spread of four words for 'camel' across the Old World

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Spread of four words for 'camel' across the Old World

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Blaze@lemmy.zip to Map Enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz · 1 month ago
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderwort

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  • SnootBoop@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    I like how they manage to shoehorn Old Norde into the map but ignored Russian and Polish.

  • Drekaridill@feddit.is
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    In Iceland we say both Kameldýr which is similar to the rest of Europe, and Úlfaldi which seems more in line with the Indo-Iranian branch.

    • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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      Kameldýr

      Camel + animal? I wonder, does the element “kamel” resembles any other, non-animal words? (I studied Icelandic a bit as a teen, but it’s been a long time since then.)

      • Drekaridill@feddit.is
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        Not any word I know about. Chameleons are named Kamelljón (Camel + lion) but that’s just because it sounds like the English word. As far as I know, “kamel” is just loaned directly from other languages.

  • Drasglaf@sh.itjust.works
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    1 month ago

    Very interesting! I wouldn’t mind seeing more maps like this one.

    • ZeffSyde@lemmy.world
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      An app that would draw up a similar map for any word you plugged into it would be endlessly fascinating to me.

  • RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works
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    Apparently Italy still speaks Latin

    • Revan343@lemmy.ca
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      At least one part of it does

      • RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works
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        Huh?

        • CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world
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          He’s referring to the Vatican. But in any case Latin makes more sense here since it’s the movement of the word over time.

          • Zentron@lemm.ee
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            Isnt sardinian native “accent” much closer to latin than modern italian or am i missremembering smth ?

  • verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works
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    1 month ago

    Fascinating, in prose and as a map.

  • The Ramen Dutchman@ttrpg.network
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    It seems キャメル (kyameru / camel) is far more common in Japanese then ラクダ (rakuta).

    • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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      I wonder if the first word was introduced to Japan by the Portuguese?

      • The Ramen Dutchman@ttrpg.network
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        Isn’t it Camel(l)o in Portuguese? Also going by the map above?

  • Zagorath@aussie.zone
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    Interesting that the majority of European languages seem to get it from the Semitic family, rather than from within their fellow Indo-European language family. Etymonline suggests, and the picture reinforces, that it mostly got there via Greek. So I suspect we have Alexander the Great, or possibly earlier interactions between Greek states and Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs, for that borrowing.

    • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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      Κάμηλος (kámēlos) existed in Greek before Alexander adventures (we find it in Herodotus, Agatharchus or the Septuagint); an etymology book I have says it probably comes from Babylonian, but doesn’t explain why.

      • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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        an etymology book I have

        Name, please. Inquiring word nerds must know more.

        • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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          It’s a French book but there’s a good etymological dictionary of Greek in English online: https://archive.org/details/etymological-dictionary-of-greek_202306/mode/1up

          • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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            I’m cool with a book being in French. I have a Spanish language etymological dictionary, too. I kind of collect etymology sources, actually - I’ve got another etymology book of the English language, and even one of Persian.

            Which is why your link is going right into my Favorites list. ❤️

            • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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              My book is an older (and cheaper 😅) version of this book: Pierre Chantraine, Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue grecque

  • Jhuskindle@lemmy.world
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    So cool

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    Love this!

    I think teve is my favorite. I think we should steal it. On an unrelated note, why is the German the only one capitalized? 👀

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      german capitalizes all nouns

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        Really? Interesting, I did not know that!

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    Map is somewhat wrong in the balkans , serbo-croatians uses kamila (as romanians do) much more than deva ( turkic version )

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    Why do we keep leaving New Zealand off the map?

    Slash ess

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