• spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    8 months ago

    When are they going to start the peace negotiation efforts before they stop them? Cuz all they’re doing is trying to conquer them and steal their resources currently.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    Good, fuck off trying to squeeze an innocent country in duress

    Seriously, the US is behaving like someone walking in the street and all of the sudden they walk into a girl being violently raped and he goes “well I can save you but what is it worth to you? You got any jewelry?” The girl frantically screams for help, and the guy goes “well you didn’t even say thank you for tapping the guy on the shoulder, now you’ll need to give me your grandmother’s jewelry too if you want to help me to stop him”… All the while this guy continues to rape and beat her, and he’s just standing there, saying he’ll help her and that he can stop it in a second but, you know…

  • BillDaCatt@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    That was the plan for this administration all along. Trump is a Russian asset. He has never been interested in helping Ukraine achieve peace.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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      8 months ago

      I hope it’s not going to be Germany, the policies of their current conservative leadership is why we’re dealing with a lot of these fires.

      They are responsible for making the EU reliant enough on Russia that they thought we would stand by and let Ukraine fall. They are responsible for the absolute state of Hungary. The migrant crisis. Bankrupting Greece in the name of austerity. I’m sure the list goes on.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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          8 months ago

          German car manufacturing. VW’s biggest engine factory is in Gyõr, Hungary. BMW is building in Debrecen, then there is also Mercedes. Hungary is also a major battery manufacturer since recently.

          Couple that with some other industry, like the only non-Danish Lego factory in the EU for example, or others.

          Cutting Hungary out from the customs union would cost a lot of people with a lot of power in the EU a lot of money.

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            8 months ago

            Wouldn’t it cost Hungary more in terms of job losses and economic loss of productivity to the point Germany should be able to leverage Hungary more?

            • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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              8 months ago

              It would, but Orbán isn’t Hungary. You can’t blackmail Orbán with Hungary, he doesn’t care for it beyond using it as a vehicle of power. Hungary is also in a lot of hardship already, so I doubt some more layoffs would be the breaking point.

              The factories wouldn’t close immediately, they are huge. Also, China is also building up in Hungary, and it would continue being an important transit and manufacturing hub between China and the EU, even if it was not part of the EU. It’s still on the shortest path between the Belt and Road connections and Germany, and there is no point in either going the Croatia route over the mountains or through Ukraine and Poland, again through mountains and presently, war. It is also chock full of Chinese battery plants that would continue to sell to the EU, because even without being in the trade union, Hungary has the advantage of not giving a shit about environmental regulations for building such plants.

              To be honest, this is why every sane Hungarian wants Ukraine to succeed in defending itself, as if we had a Russian border in Transcarpathia, that’s when shit would get real and Orbán would go full Belarus.

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      8 months ago

      It’s time for new leaders to take up the mantle. Germany has tried being the world leader a couple of times but was never truly able to show us how good it could be.

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      8 months ago

      They had a luxurious outing in some big-oil palace. It’s hard work man, they had to literally, very briefly, walk through the desert

  • ORG2001@lemmy.radio
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    8 months ago

    EU has become complacent and are now paying the price for it. They need to take the lead and not depend on USA because the US is not a reliable partner. The US will only get involved if it is in their interest.