I can see that people don’t always know how to word their critique. But the point is simple: This is a toxic way to deal with that type of annoyance in your life. It’s a comic, indeed, maybe not meant to be taken seriously, but I would much better see comics about interesting, or fun things. This type of ordinary, sarcastic social commentary you present as a comic does not help your cause nor make the sub a better place. Let’s not perpetrate the “owning” culture so prevalent in social media. Shall you?
At first, I thought people were exaggerating by calling her comics a strawman, as the situation mentioned in the comic above happens too commonly.
I did a little digging and found this deleted thread.
To my surprise she turned out exactly like people she seems to be calling out.
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Edit 2: She didn’t respond and went radio silent on people who shared their experience and called her out.
Edit 3 : Found this in the same thread
lol, this feels like the convo in a nutshell…
Alice: “Bob, I’ll bet you could never imagine what it would feel like if X happened to you.”
Bob: “Actually X has happened to me.”
Alice: “Jesus fucking Christ, Bob! Not everything’s about you!”
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I’m happy to be honest, I agree with some of these (obv not the bitch slut or nazi ones). You need another square pointing out how the r/comics mods defend her to a kind of insane level, and definitely give her preferential treatment over other comic artists.
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as you can see I drew myself as the Chad and you as the soyjack, so I win
Legitimate criticism of someone isn’t incel behaviour bruh
you’re right.
consistent criticism that hits each of those nine points on every single PCC post doesn’t denote incel behavior.
it’s still pretty pathetic though, that none of these incels have the self control to ignore a post and go into a blind rage when they see a comic. Only to feel the uncontrollable urge to berate an artist that clearly isn’t on this platform. like, who are they trying to convince? sad.
the bingo card is mostly entertainment for myself just so I can keep laughing at them while these comics keep getting posted.
I’ll probably make more every time I see PCC get posted.
She doesn’t care about you no matter how much you white knight her or wank over her OF. You sound just as toxic and simpleminded as I imagine a PCC fan to be
I think I saw three of them in the comments already!
Don’t know the artist besides what hits the front page here
Isn’t it kind of fucking awesome that douchebags are getting owned?
You forgot her threatening to sue a subreddit for critizing and making fun of her comics. There’s a reason why some people don’t want her comics here, and that’s because she’s toxic as fuck
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I’ve honestly never encountered this artist and don’t know any of the drama around them.
Can I say her art style sucks just to win the prize for a bingo though?
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You can go ahead and cross off not funny, lame, and looks like AI while you’re at it.
Weird how people get so parasocially attached to others, to the point of whiite knighting
They do this every time someone posts a Pizzacake comic, it’s very strange.
thou doth protest too much!
I couldn’t give a flying shit about the artist.
I just enjoy poking at the incels that clearly feel emboldened to flame the threads every time PCC gets posted.
I mean, it’s literally every single post. It’s getting old and boring. So, I made the bingo card to spice the turd stew up that y’all make.
is it not hot enough for you? don’t worry, I’ll make it extra spicy for you next time 😘.
“Criticism = incel” is a great, quick litmus test for identifying shitty people.
The irony is that the vast majority of people who use “incel” as an insult also tend to dissonantly believe that value judgments of women based on virginity are immoral, lol.
What’s old and boring is PCC’s fan army defending her and her mediocre comics (while simping her OF) at every turn, being just as toxic as her.
Make it spicy how? You gonna sue me like PCC tried to sue a subreddit for critizing her comics?
The only people mentioning her OF are guys like you who get riled up when someone does sex work to pay their bills. Please tell me where she so relentlessly advertises her nudes in her comics and where people in this thread “simp” (and I don’t mean defending the fact that she has one) for her OF.
Yeah, but to be fair, the threads linked here from r/BHJ are Chernobyl-level toxic, and they seem to think they’re the victims.
I’d say four of these are accurate.
Yup. This checks all of the “that is definitely how people talk”-boxes. It’s like an invented dialogue meets a fantasy answer.
Can we not have AIop being upvoted to the top? Thanks.
please keep reddit trash off of lemmy
Today in things that never happened:
Or maybe it would happen in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised anymore.
Either you never seen the comment section of any post ever, or you the dude who makes these kind of comments.
Yes, because comment sections on Lemmy/Reddit/Social Media are a good metric for what happens AFK. We saw that when Lemmy/Reddit perfectly predicted the crushing loss of Donald Trump.
Oh wait…
I’d suggest going out more and hanging out with real people.
I think they’re referring to the online experience. Every single post about some “woman who does something intelligent / skillful”, with enough attention (and it doesn’t take much!), will contain guys being absolute shits.
Seems like the confusion can be attributed to assuming the discussion was limited to “being outside”.
You’re not from US, but somehow you know what hanging out with real people is like here?
We saw that when Lemmy/Reddit perfectly predicted the crushing loss of Donald Trump.
As I recall Lemmy/Reddit was telling people how important it was to vote, because Trump wasn’t guaranteed to lose, and if he wins he’s going to become a dictator.
Seems pretty accurate to me.
But you seem to have a pattern of not actually listening to what people are saying so I’m not surprised you got that wrong.
Wait until you learn that cats don’t really like lasagna.
Try asking any female friend if they can relate to this comic.
I’ll ask my work colleagues in the union club. I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate, but that’s about it.
I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate
So you agree that is does in fact happen?
I said might. What’s more true in Arabic countries is that women aren’t allowed to be approached for most reasons.
That was a quick referral. So you’re just changing your argument to be whatever disagrees with the person who who replies to you instead of having a coherent point.
My point is this doesn’t happen. That point hasn’t changed.
I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate
Pick a lane.
Oh, sweet summer child.
Given everything, I’m guessing they don’t have any.
Try asking any female friend
Why don’t you also ask him to end world hunger while you’re at it? He has equal chances at both.
They’d need to interact with a woman on a personal level to be able to accomplish that.
This happens literally every day. lmao
Really? So people randomly approach you on the street and proclaim they’ll never date you?
YES. Literally yes.
I’ve been approached by men who say I’m wearing too much makeup and that men don’t like that. That I should smile more if I want a boyfriend. That my clothes aren’t very flattering and it’s unattractive to him.
Like, for all your talk of “go outside” you don’t seem to know what life is like for women outside.
What country?
Mine? America. I even live in a very blue “progressive” area. But I have friends in the UK that have similar experinces. Frankly, why would that even matter? This sort of thing happens all over.
Same in Italy x 100.
America. Typical. I would like you to come to Scandinavia, then. You might get a culture shock.
If you were even vaguely representative of Scandinavians, I’d steer clear. Luckily, I have family in Norway and Finland, so I know you’re just an ass and are full of shit.
America. Typical.
Guess what country the comic artist is likely from…
I live in Norway. While it is less prevalent here than elsewhere, please understand that it still very much exists.
I mean. Okay? Maybe? But that’s not really the point?
I’m just trying to address how unrealistic you thought this comic was. But it is a accurate depiction of a regular experince for many women’s lives.
Honestly it seems like you’re just trying to “win” the discussion by correcting others. When women talk about the problems they face, it’s not helpful for you to go “That doesn’t happen”.
Not excusing ignorance but it is wild how different the experience of the average man or woman can be just existing in public. It makes sense to me that a man who is largely a basement dweller would have no first hand exposure to that sort of behavior.
You’re speaking for yourself, I presume?
sick comeback bro that must go over really well in your middle school
Hearing a girlfriend express a lack of confidence because she wouldn’t get accosted kind of fucked me up. A moment of realization that the way the world is is so drastically different from the way I want to believe it is, I didn’t know where to start.
I try to build a habit of reacting to feeling upset with behavior by thinking up a situation that could lead me to act in the same way, but I really struggle to imagine what would make someone inclined to approach a stranger on the street with this kind of comment.
Totally unrelated, but I’ve seen comics from this artist before and they’ve always given me weirdly unsettling vibes. I can’t really pinpoint if it’s the dialogue or the art style.
Listen, just because nobody has ever seen you as attractive doesn’t mean that’s the experience most people have.
I think you got something a little backwards.
Just want to note this bloke took ten minutes to respond and this is the best they came up with.
Yes, because Lemmy is the most important thing in the world. I’ll reply in my own time. Not yours.
Boooooring.
I am not a women but if you go outside with them you will see it.
Any time a woman stands up for anything that a shitty man disagrees with they say the same shit. Every time.
You know this is a comic, not a news article, right?
Yeah? The comic is making a statement, no?
Instead of becoming an incel, you should first consider acting like the woman in this comic when somebody doesn’t want to date you.
According to these commenters and bingo cards anyone who criticized this artist is an incel. To me she just makes mid borderline lame/cringe comics. Was happy not seeing her stuff after leaving Reddit lo and behold shes back with comics denoting imaginary scenarios without any punchlines. Go ahead and check a bingo square and call me an incel her work sucks.
Oh good lord…. It’s going to be r/comics all over again.
Prepare…. For litany!
Can I please stop seeing this crap on my feed?
I really hate their comics. Never anything original.
I really hate scrolling through comments to find ones like this. Never adds to the conversation.
How does someone going against the popular opinion not add to the conversation??
You really didn’t see what I was doing there, huh?
You’re right, they did add something to the conversation. And what they added was a low effort post that did nothing other than waste electricity.
Only fawning praise adds to the conversation
Whoosh!
lemmy users when they see a lukewarm webcomic (they can just block the community)
Damn this comic has L A Y E R S
The fox has many clever tricks, but the hedgehog has one big trick.
I’m only reading one layer. What are others?
Its a call out the her haters. Look at this thread and how many people think theyre better than her for what ever reason. Shes telling them she doesnt give a shit about their opinion
Yeah. That’s the one layer. I’m not seeing any others.
She’s probably not even married, among others, but is still playing into the prescribed gender role to troll the masc even harder. OR, she is married, but probably her relationship has some elements that are still considered “niche” or “deviant” by society at large. Or, maybe NONE of that is true, either, which is yet another layer relating to assumptions people make based on the behavior and self-expression of others
a misogyny onion
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This dog shit comic being spammed on *eddit was a good reason to leave that shithole
I’d suggest 4chan as a more suitable alternative buuuuut…
I don’t think this is the right place for you then either. Maybe try X or “Truth” Social?
So, if someone disagrees with your opinion of PizzaShit, they’re somehow a conservative?
Jesus fucking Christ. This is truly r/comics Al over again.
Pot: Meet kettle.
Jfc. You can’t make this up
Wait, so- in a different discussion where you removed your downvoted comments that were arguing something similar… you were right, but here where the same point could be made, it’s wrong? Let me refresh you, because the you didn’t remove the one that had positive voting:
If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.
So if we change “nazzis” (Nazis) to conservatives….
Well, I guess we finally see what happens when the pot meets the kettle, don’t we.
Excuse you. Liking pizzacake is not a prerequisite to be a sane normal person.
IKR, that’s like the ultimate reddit opinion to have. 😂
I guess you should just leave instead of posting shit comments.
You sound decaffeinated.
Yeah, the virtue signaling is at an insane level, but the author never seems to take their own advice or take it well when anyone points out their blind spots.
she’s had some real shitty opinions but she’s generally in the right ballpark.
Honestly, who didn’t?
Me, I’m always right
I generally agree with her opinions, but there’s more to thinking a comic is good than pointing at it and going “wow i think that too.” They always just seem like super generic “relatable” jokes, and it’s crazy that they always get 50 billion upvotes.
low hanging fruit is low hanging fruit for a reason. it’s accessible.
The only comic of hers that I’ve found morally objectionable was years ago now, and framed around complaining about her kids.
It had thousands of downvotes (on reddit) and all the comments were calling her out for being entierly responsible for her situation as a parent, and telling her to suck it up and step up because bitching out her kids like that was damaging them, unproductive and absolutely not funny.
Out of the thousands of comic panels of hers that I’ve seen, that’s really not a bad track record at all.
she also downplayed male rape a while back. and doubled down on it.
Ah, ok yeah I didn’t see that one. That changes things s bit.
Are you afraid spez is going to come to your house and lick your feet while you sleep if you say Reddit? Nothing more pathetic than self-censorship. Say the fucking word or pick another one.
Say the n-word then
“Self-censorship” like when PCC author threatened to sue a subreddit for critizing her and making fun of her comics
Well something similar happened that haunts my childhood till this day.
It’s for wh€n you hat€ someth*ng so much that you treat it as a sluπ. If you don’t like it that’s fine but as people who dislike pizzacake should do move on or block it.
Fun fact: no one is forcing you to read comics you dislike! If you don’t like a post, you are allowed to scroll past it.
we don’t want you here
It wasn’t the spam for me so much as criticism and parody of her work being banned. “I have drawn myself as the Chad and you as the soyjak” shtick gets old.
You’re welcome to make your own comic if you think you can do better.
now now. that’s just a stupid stance to take. you don’t have to make media to be critical of it.
or do you have to make a podcast to say joe rogan’s slop is toxic, diseased, and damaging to society?
You’re right of course! But also there’s a big difference between real criticism and just saying something is “dogshit”. In fact you criticized Joe Rogan’s stuff properly, by drawing attention to the negative effects it has on people. We could go even further and pick out specific cases. (Though there’s no need to in this case, I agree with you.)
On the other hand, shitting on something with no reasoning just makes you a hater. I work with several comic artists professionally, and a common thing they ALL see is a nontrivial percentage of commenters who simply disparage everything. This is not because the content is inherently bad, but because all these trolls can do is destroy, not create.
there is no substantive difference between my comment about rogan and that guys comment about this comic. only your opinion is coloring how you take it.
you and every single person upvoting you are just lemmings wearing a different team’s jersey than the idiot lemming above.
if anything, we need more haters at this point, because y’all dumb af.
Them saying Joe Rogan’s podcast is “toxic, diseased, and damaging to society” is not better critique than the other poster calling this comic dog shit. Both are just statements that provide no argument or reasoning behind the statements. Sure they could back it up with examples why it is so, but so could the other commenter, which would make either of those comments valid criticism, but without they are equally good (or bad) criticism.
exactly.
I think it’s fine because we were operating on an implicit set of shared knowledge. Not every communication needs to be a research paper.
I have no understanding (implicit or explicit) of why the original commenter hated this comic, and clearly that’s the case for the vast majority of the voters here.
Providing 2-3 lines of explanatory context is hardly a research paper, but enough to illustrate reason behind a simple statement.
AFAIK, the author of this comic is somewhat of an asshat that exercises varying degree of censorship on a comic strip subreddit, based on their personal beliefs.
like i replied to the original comment that person is complaining about, she’s had some really dumb takes but is usually in the right ballpark. those dumb takes were also cases where she doubled down and yeah, that subreddit is basically a safespace for their superusers/content creators.
“This is a dog shit comic” is not a critique, though, is the thing. It’s just jerking off in public.
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You’ve made a point. The fanboyism and simping is so deep, there’s nothing you can do but block the content.
I find that highly unlikely. It’s far more profitable to just do NSFW if that’s your goal.
If anything the NSFW posts are a way to monetize the actual thing she wants to draw, which are normal comics.
Exactly. The NSFW stuff came about from demand, not because she was pushing it. It ended up being very successful, so she kept doing it. It’s weird how angry people get that someone would post nudes.
So what? Are you such a prude that this insults you?
A woman being involved in anything NSFW is automatically labelled negatively among a certain sect of the population.
Which is such a shame because drawing a funny comic that has NSFW elements should be lauded.
Love oglaf.com
I don’t think simping for online personalities and influencers is particularly healthy, and it’s one of the last things I’d defend.
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
Kinda like when SrGrafo was making loli art. (don’t make me post it)
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
That’s strange, because I’m only aware of the porn because of you, not because of the comic.
You’re the one advertising Internet porn here.
So?
The great thing about lemmy is that if you don’t like a post, there is another one under it.
Lol. Dog shit comments like this being posted on reddit was a good reason to leave that shithole.
I’m not a fan of her comics, I just don’t find them very funny. But the level of unconstructive hate she gets is absurd. Just move on if you don’t like the comics. If you really dislike them, just block the user or community. It’s not hard. Grow up.
I don’t see what’s dogshit about it. Maybe you just don’t like it?
Fits the current comic btw.
