By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.
As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.
That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with concentration camps for the extermination and removal of the Native Americans
Hey! You skipped the civil war concentration camps on both sides, how dare you.
I’ve always thought it was hypocritical of Americans to be calling Nazis the worst. We literally enslaved a group of people for hundreds of years, bred and slaughtered them at our whim. Had concentration camps, and more. We’re not better, and probably worse. We just had good propaganda.
Eh, I wouldn’t say Americans reached the level of industrialized genocide Nazi Germany achieved but we definitely had and still have plenty of blood on our hands.
I’m not sure I’d agree, though maybe you’re correct because it wasn’t industrial. We put bounties on bison skulls though to encourage them being slaughtered because we new native populations relied on them, for example. It was brutal and systematic. Sure, we didn’t use industrial means to actually kill them, but I don’t think that makes it better or worse, only different.
In Die Hard, when Hans is describing Takagi, he says “interned at Manzanar 1942-43”. 9 year old imsufferableninja thought he was talking about an internship at a prestigious company called Manzanar. 25 year old imsufferableninja finally figured it out. They did not teach about the US’s concentration camps at my schools, for some reason…
Master Miyagi from Karate Kid also had it rough.
Guantanamo Bay is/was its own fresh hell, but it was not a concentration camp.
Why is it not?
It was an off the record black torture/interrogation site. They didn’t send every taliban they accounted there. It was selective.
Ah, sorry, I didn’t realize that the Nazis sent all their prisoners to one camp. I guess those weren’t concentration camps, either.
Because it was used for a select few (relatively speaking). It wasn’t a camp built to concentrate a sizeable portion of our population into one small area.
The stated purpose of CECOT is to put people in violently cramped, close confinement with each other until they die.
It is a deathcamp.
It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.
How is this all going so fast, tho? Didn’t it take the nazis a few years to get to this point?
Nazis got to all the points they wanted so lightning-fast that nothing happening now can rival it.
That’s one of the reasons for the cultural shock about Nazis - everybody expected such processes to happen very slowly, in small flashes, as they do now. Thus them to be voted out or pressed out as a reaction, or at least for most potential victims to flee Germany, gradual pressure, compromise, all that.
Instead they came to power, almost momentarily changed the internal balance of power (of armed forces, their own paramilitary organizations, veteran organizations and such), anschlussed Austria, “solved unemployment” (organized massive programs of building autobahns and such, not very economically viable, but a symbol and a working mechanism), attracted investments (various scams on enormous scale, but the funds were attracted and it wasn’t all scams), scaled the military back to something realistic, performed successful rearmament programs … And built concentration camps. They started with something like Guantanamo almost immediately after coming to power, then didn’t lose any time to learn.
See, they had an apparatus, even a social layer of very well educated people, but with indoctrination of service and obedience, and the legacy of German science and industry and patriotism too. They broke that, but not before successfully using it for a lot of things.
That’s the problem with building good systems, they prevent idiots from learning who they are earlier. It’s the same with Sun and DEC and other legacy in tech. Everybody still uses their paradigms and products descended from theirs. Vision, architecture, aesthetic (only hidden somewhere deep). So everybody big has now IMHO wrong ideas about how to solve problems, but since everybody also uses solutions made by those who had right ideas 30-15 years ago, they don’t get the feedback. Today’s tech is a pile of crap reinforced with yesteryear grass, but it doesn’t fall apart in your hands because for the main problems you use solutions from a more civilized age.
While this was informative, I don’t quite understand the progressive change from concentration camps in nazi Germany to a fanatic escalating hate for… Uh… x86 architecture?
Sounds like a really, really wild ride to be on.
It’s a more general thought. Our actions do not have immediate visible consequences. Thus we can break everything and think we are winning.
Also on the subject of Nazis it does possess some value, they loved analogies between relevant modern techologies of their time and sociopolitical events. Where the word “anschluss” comes from, by the way. It literally translates like “connecting”, as with electricity. Well, electricity wasn’t new, but radio was, Nazis used radio a lot and referred to use of radio to show how modern and revolutionary they are.
Important because it applies to leftists often, if you say “leftists made Trump” or “leftists made MAGA” or “leftists broke American democracy” or something like that, it’ll sound clearly wrong, but it won’t be. USSR was a clear case of using what others made and thinking that it’s their own achievement by its administrators, most of its history, while first they were using the tremendous results of Stolypin reforms and then NEP (Lenin was a bit smarter than his buddies), and then selling fossil resources to support visibility of a working economy, but that’s kinda off topic.
I’m not talking about x86 architecture, I’m talking about everyone using Java and Sun idea of the web, just slowly worsened and degenerate, first of all. Or Windows NT, it was fine in year 1999, but being stuck there for 20 years is just wrong.
So, back to our day and how it’s useful, systems should have smaller latency for evolution to work well. Like those temples in Japan, which are constantly being rebuilt in all of their parts. You should be able to tear down a republic and build a new one in a couple of years.
Getting back to Nazis - if the system they captured had smaller latency, they wouldn’t have managed to even annex Austria.
No, Dachau concentration camp was started in March 1933, just a few months after Hitler took power.
The Nazis didn’t have the historical context of the Nazis’ rise to power to help guide them.
The El Salvador facility was already built in 2022 during Pres. Bukele’s national crackdown on gang violence. Since it was only running at half capacity (and to ingratiate himself with Trump most likely), Bukele has offered to incarcerate deported gang members there, especially those who were refused by their home countries.
America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.
El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn’t get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of “but they had due process!!!1!”
In all literal sense of the phrase: this is a concentration camp
From Wikipedia:
“A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment.”
I’d say it tracks.
I suggest making some reforms to state institutions before someone else gains control of at least two thirds of the political power. Having support from two thirds of a legislative body is sufficient to completely rewrite a constitution in many cases, so the only question is whether a “supermajority” can reach some consensus.
I personally don’t have a lot of hope for peaceful reform, given what I see from https://ballotpedia.org/Results_for_ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)_and_electoral_system_ballot_measures,_2024
One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.
Are they intentionally seeking people like that?
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This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
Not just American deportees…
Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?
They would have to be pretty fresh in photos. They take at least 2 weeks to heal
It doesn’t have to be real tattoos or even really on them if they can Photoshop them in.
But shaved heads for sure and you can see many of them have a 5 o-clock head shadow, meaning that they don’t shave often in real life.
Yikes, I didn’t think of that. It would be a convenient way for them to prove that they are some Mexican gang member.
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A horrific thought indeed.
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They’re right that we should at minimum not allow them to define how we talk about this, and we should call it what it is.
But we should also have a plan to avoid getting put in a concentration camp when we do so. Stay safe, and be good everyone.
ICE detention centers in the USA count as concentration camps as do American Indian reservations, too, but yes we now have our own concentration camps out-of-country like the CIA black sites for illegal rendition or the NAZIs in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Belarus and the “secure hamlet” programs carried out by our Vietnam vets, for examples.
CECOT is the American gulag
My entire country counts as one
It’s a very honest article.
It’s hard to know how to respond, however. The problem is religion. And believe it or not, compassion and the existence of trans people is the key that has allowed the psychopathic class to gain power.
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Many religious types see empathy as a threat to their religious beliefs, which are all innately fake. All people who are kind and empathetic and understand science want to be kind to people who are trans, and for religious people, this threatens the core of their belief system. In the beginning, the Unicorn Sky Man created Adam and Even, not Adam Eve and THEM. So if some people are intersex, and some people look male but feel female, or look female and feel male, it exposes the lies of their religious myths and suddenly makes the bullshit at the CORE of their cult very clear.
These religious people can’t admit their beliefs are based on lies, can’t admitted they were tricked into believing bullshit, and so they will cling to ANYTHING that supports their delusional moron cult instead of providing empathy to people who are different.
Suddenly, in come the psychopaths who don’t give a fuck about anyone, knowing full well they can exploit this situation for more power and money. And sadly they have taken this large core of religious delusional idiots, which makes up about 65% of the country, and they are appealing directly to them: “We will support your religious delusions by hating trans people + we have some other ideas.” And the 65% universally voted for it.
The other ideas are all psychopathic ideas to enrich and empower this psychopathic class, which the 65% don’t understand because let’s face it they are all idiots who mostly don’t understand science which is why they believe in religious bullshit, and now the psychopathic class are trying to use subterfuge and obfuscation to hide the fact that the “other ideas” are going to fuck over everyone in order to consolidate power and wealth.
So previously, most cruel movements stopped because of religion: slavery stopped because white women started feeling the hypocrisy of claiming to be Christian while being cruel to black people who seemed similar to themselves, with this similarity in part because white men had been raping black women. The Holocaust stopped because there was a disabled president who felt it was immoral to kill people who were different, backed up by a public who believed Jewish people were part of their religious foundation.
So now, it’s different: the others are people that the 65% can’t relate to with tattoos who are either ethnically different and not linked to their religious beliefs or are trans people who they simply choose to believe are mentally ill because if trans people aren’t mentally ill, it means their religion is based on lies. The psychopaths who have come into power innately understand this. I do not believe for one moment that Trump Vance and their ilk at the top really believe all this religious bullshit. They understand it and they use it.
This 65 percent is a dangerous monstrosity that is destroying the country with their stupid religious beliefs. But there’s really no winning in this situation. The 65 percent cannot become “woke” because they are idiots. Would you wake up a camel or wake up a pig? Can you enlighten a rat or a turkey? No, these people will always be idiots, they are a dangerous amorphous blob of idiocy and if you try to wake them up they will cling to their bibles, truck nuts, and beer while yelling about trans people.
What is also happening is the world is currently being environmentally destroyed. At the risk of sounding crazy, but who gives a fuck because it’s lemmy, we are also dealing with a strange presence that lives in our oceans with advanced technology and flying crafts. They have bases and can alter time, according to some, unless this is all a lie. We don’t know why they are there, we don’t know if this planet is just being farmed, or if they have always been there, waiting like cicadas to feast on all of us once become plentiful during some orgiastic 10000 year feast, and no one fucking discusses this bizarre situation or why they are there. The military claims they don’t know. We also do not know if those beings have somehow infiltrated leadership. Our leaders are not tested for loyalty publicly. For all we know, every single major player in the US right now could be compromised. This may not even be a psychopathic class. This may be Russian compromise at best. We simply do not know who in our leaders is loyal because any adversary of the US can see this “hack” is fairly simple: appeal to the delusional bullshit of religious people by hating trans people and you can own the country, because decent politicians aren’t idiots and know that intersex people and people with different gender identities exist. But 65% of the country is actually that fucking stupid.
And so this evil happens, with people being sent to a Latino Holocaust, and there’s really no way to fight it because they control 65% of the public through a hack. There can be no religious awakening of these morons now because any consciousness, any awareness or decency or empathy means acknowledging trans people and that means acknowledging their religion is a heaping pile of lies, which it’s always been.
The psychopathic class, or possibly a controlled class, that has gotten into power also knows the conundrum that decent leaders feel: if you are a decent leader, do you stop fighting for basic normal rights for trans people to try to get some of the 65% back, thereby ensuring some trans people will feel marginalized and literally die as a result through deaths of despair, or do you refuse to morally compromise, ensuring doom? Eventually, more accepting young people are going to start voting, so this problem will eventually go away in 20 years, but the cruelty and exploitation and viciousness is all happening right now. So what can be done right now?
I’m not sure if there’s anything that can be done. I don’t see a solution. I am not sure organization will do anything, protests will do anything, the math just isn’t on the side of decent people. Does anyone think there is a solution to this problem that doesn’t involve waiting 20 years?
Bases and altering time?
The first half of this was great. Then you descended into tomfoolery.
The “tomfoolery” is documented and there have been congressional hearings on it. My point is that we have no proof that everyone in power is not a Russian agent, or worse, and this hack would allow any adversary who sees the exploit to gain control.
There was a time when covid first spread right next to a literal covid laboratory and the media said it was from bats and scientists said they had done genetic testing prooving it came from bats. At the time, even saying that it was possibly more likely that covid came from the covid laboratory was “misinformation” and a “conspiracy” that would get people banned from social media. People like you were the ones who would either laugh or gasp when people suggested covid came from a covid biolab back then. There are numerous public reports documenting unusual crafts decending into the ocean. I am sorry you are too scared or culturally constrained to acknowledge something is happening: either people in the military are lying or it’s real. Either way, it’s not something wise to ignore and you, sir, are the fool, with a name like heliumfart the clown wig on top.
The fact that the 65 percent can be easily controlled through this hack and we can’t be sure if the ruling administration is even loyal to US interests or to something else is part of the problem.
This does seem to be a concentration camp, many people fear what will happen to LGBT people next especially transgender people, and there have already undoubtedly been deaths of depair for transgender people as a result of this.
If you have a better analysis or resolution, please, please write it, suggest options that people who are against extreme cruelty for people who are different can undertake. Because I don’t see how. Much like a parasite is able to get an ant to stand on a leaf, you can literally steal the farms and insurance from the 65 percent as long as you bash trans people affirming the illogical religious beliefs of the 65 percent. You can literally open up a concentration camp in the name of jesus and visit the pope after pretending to believe in kindness if you control the 65 percent by bashing trans people. It is an easy hack: the cognitive dissonance of the 65 percent is incredible and if you can help them not feel that tension regarding the lies at the core of their belief system, you capture that whole voting block regardless of what else you do.
The fact that there may be underwater basis with something down there, or that many military personnel are lying about this, should be a fucking concern, and if you think that’s foolery you’re not thinking clearly. We don’t know if this means another nation, we don’t know if this is a culture from a different planet or a culture that is just advanced and lives in the ocean, we don’t know if it’s some sort of interdimensional consciousness or intelligence. The government in the USA has also lied to people in the US before so we can’t be sure the information they are providing is accurate. We also simultaneously have people in power that are behaving in unusual ways that suggest a possible alignment with Russia and that may be due to mutual beliefs or it may be due to payments. We do not know.
When there is suddenly inexplicably a concentration camp that the US is sending people to, the fact that we do have to second-guess the loyalty of those in power is an important part of this. Although Republicans have often been greedy and selfish, ideological differences were also part of the equation at one point. Now, I am not sure if this is just about ideology.
With the biosphere likely to eventually collapse at the rate the world is going, Republicans either think that they will amass enough wealth that in a neo-feudal hot planet they will be able to survive or they really are so stupid they aren’t thinking at all.
All of these things still don’t solve the problem. The state the US is in is much like if you are using Qubes and suddenly you see your mouse open up a terminal in dom0 and someone type “I have access now.” The USA has been compromised by this transgender-religiousidiocy hack of 65 percent and there is now a rootkit. Someone has control and it’s not even clear who has control nor how to disinfect the system.
I’d be fascinated to hear what the fuck you think is so illogical about what I posted?
“No, no, we haven’t actually seen any evidence of murder, we’re just reporting it.”
I am quite surprised on the lack of knowledge about El Salvador. I would expect this from other platforms, but not here.
Please get informed before comparing this system to a concentration camp. Now if the administration of the United States wants to use El Salvador’s system to push their agenda, you should continue to blame the United States and not El Salvador.
Before Bukele, El Salvador had a level of corruption and violence completely out of proportion. There were so many different approaches made to eradicate the complex issue and none of them worked. If you have a group of people that are terrorizing the population, you cannot be diplomatic if the approach. Bukele turned his country around overnight.
They are concentration camps whether you agree with them or not. Sounds like you are into them though so that’s weird.
Ok, so what do you think is the solution to the problem that El Salvador was facing?
Let’s say what they did was the only way. Why are our immigrants and others now being sent to forever prison there without due process? These are two separate issues.
You are spot on! Why are people being sent to a prison outside of the country without any trial or due process? That is to say that the United States and its administration is at fault not El Salvador.
How is the Salvador, 1/4 the size of South Carolina, supposed to stand up to a command from the United States? Think about that. You have to realize how much influence and power the United States has had over the rest of the continent, they have played this game for decades.
I am sure if the United States says we need them back, El Salvador will release them no questions asked. We cannot sit here and blame the people on the other side when the ones in the same turf are calling the shots.
America has been doing this for decades. Look at Guantanamo Bay. We used the excuse of terrorism then and now we’re using the excuse of boarder security. As long as people can be controlled by their greed
ofor fear then this will continue to happen.Edit: autocorrect…
Also look at FDRs concentration camps for Japanese Americans. This shit is a time honored tradition in this country.
I don’t want to minimize the suffering of Japanese Americans in the camps in any way, but from the history I’ve read they seem to be a few steps up from whatever the hell is going on at CECOT.
I’m not trying to compare them. We have no idea what’s going on at CEDOT. It could very well be worse, that’s true. My point is FDRs camps were, by definition, concentration camps. This country has a long history of throwing people into concentration camps.
