- cross-posted to:
- fuckcars@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- fuckcars@lemmy.world
You must log in or register to comment.
Article: They didn’t add any lanes in Toronto, just to outlying areas where they claim traffic was improved. Toronto traffic still miserable after nothing was done there.
Seriously, if this is costing us 11 billion a day in economic damage, get more people working from home. The solution is so blindingly obvious. It saves money and can be done overnight. Fuck, we are a stupid bunch of apes.
Seriously, if this is costing us 11 billion a day in economic damage, get more people working from home.
So much this. I’m not in Ontario, my commute in Saskatoon is an obscene 15 minutes, so I don’t go into work all the time. People have asked why I never took any tech jobs in Toronto or KW, and there are two major reasons: 1. Too people-y. I am a small town person, and 2. TRAFFIC HOLY FUCK WHO CAN SIT IN A CAR THAT LONG IN THE CITY?!!? I won’t move to Calgary, Edmonton, or even Winnipeg for the same reason and they’re not nearly as bad.
Just one more lane, bro. One more lane will fix it. ;)
It’s as if by making it easier for people to drive instead of having viable alternatives, people would chose to drive more, causing even more cars to fill up the 401.
Induced demand is a terrifying demon that will make driving more miserable by taking away resources from solutions that actually work: trains and other alternative measures. A single train can move as many people as the entire 134km of new roads, and you can put more than one train on a single new rail track. You can run dozens of such trains a day, and instead of being a money sink hole, it can even operate at a profit that goes directly towards maintaining the remaining roads as long as it’s government owned rather than have private middlemen pocket the surplus cash.
Toronto and many other major cities already have wonderful and expansive rail infrastrucutre. We just need to upgrade the rail systems in between cities so that passenger and freight doesn’t have to compete for the same lines causing massive delays every single day.
More roads equal easier commute which means more people buy cars and move out of the city. They should be focusing on lowering housing costs in the city and investing in public transit.
It’s Toronto, how many people didn’t already have cars? It’s not exactly London or New York City.
I’m in BC. We have a car, but traffic into Vancouver is heavy in the morning so I take the Bus connector and Skytrsin. I get to work almost in same amount of time. More transit with better schedules reduces traffic much faster than adding lanes.
A classic engineering blunder, they should have added one more lane. 99% of traffic engineers quit adding lanes right before the finally fix traffic.
“just 1 more lane bro, I promise it’ll fix traffic”
Well, eventually it would—when they reach a number of lanes equal to the total population of the metropolitan area, plus one, so that all residents can be on the road at the same time, driving abreast. Of course, the last few lanes will have to be built on top of James Bay, but you can’t have everything.
I’d love an east-west Go train line that follows the 401 from the Rouge National Park in scarbs to Mississauga.
Lakeshore east west. 30 minute all day & week service. A little more south but it works good.
It’s clearly not enough. It only serves the commuters downtown. Everyone was talking about getting stuck on the 401. Maybe building commuter rail parallel with the 401 would help address that.
It has 30 min all day all way service from 5am to 12am. I think its fine (I wish better frequency)
From my experience, the teouvle is getting around within the city using their busses, which is why ppl opt for cars.
The problem isn’t its service schedule. It’s the area covered. Bexause there is nothing east west in the middle of the city.
Wdym nothing east west in the middle of the city?
