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- plex@lemmy.ca
cross-posted from: https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/2333639
I was just forwarded this someone in my household who watches our server. That’s it folks. I’ve been a hold out for a long time, but this is honestly it.
They want me to pay to stream content that I bought from my hardware transcoded also on my hardware.
I’ll say it. As of today, I say Plex is dead. Luckily I’ve been setting up Jellyfin, I guess it’s time to make it production ready.
Edit: I have a Plex Pass. More comments saying “Just buy a plex pass” are seriously not getting it. I have a Plex Pass and my users are still getting this.
And for the thousandth person who wants to say the same things to me:
- YES I know I’m unaffected as a Plex Pass owner.
- My users were immediately angry at it, which made me angry. Our users don’t understand what plex pass is, and they shouldn’t have to, that’s why I had it. The fact that they were pinged even though it should have kept working is horribly sloppy
- Plex is still removing functionality. I don’t care that “People should pay their fair share”. If Plex wants to put every new feature behind a paywall, that’s completely okay. They are removing functionality.
- “But they have cloud costs”. Remote streaming is negligible to them. It’s a dynamic DNS service. Plex client logs in, asks where server is, plex cloud responds with the IP and port of where server is located. That’s it.
- “Good luck finding another remote streaming” - Again, Plex just opens up an IP and port. Jellyfin also just opens up an IP and port (Hold on jellyfin folks I know, security, that’s a separate conversation). All “remote streaming” is is their dynamic dns. Literal pennies to them. Know what actually is costing them money? Hosting all of that ad-supported “free” content that they’re probably losing money on.
In short, I don’t care how you justify it. Plex is doing something shitty. They’re removing functionality that has been free for years. I’m not responding to any more of your comments repeating the same arguments over and over.
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Seems like it was only a matter of time.
20% more will jump to Jellyfin. The other 80% will entrench and talk even more about how great Plex is. I mean Jesus, $250 to watch pirated movies. lol wtf It’s also fucking wild to me that people are defending a monetization model that is on self hosted hardware. Like, I gotta pay for my server and then a license to avoid buying DVDs. Fuck it, at this point just buy the fucking movie.
Ya’ll are brain dead. Plex loves you tho.
I see some posts taking about jellyfin and tailscale and I find it interesting that it’s not mentioned tailscale is a private company. Why are they not being held to the same standard as Plex? How long before it becomes enshittified? I saw they have a free plan but give it time until they realize the number of users in the free tier are large enough to monetize.
edit: I’m prepared to be down voted but mark this and see where it ends up at.
Edit2: and I’m not defending Plex. I agree it’s a shitty move.
not a plex user but someone buried the lede here… to me, this is the neon sign that screams GTFO:
we noticed that you’ve accessed libraries in the past
what business of yours is it to notice my private comings and goings?! what other actionable intel do y’all keep in your logs?! bye!
The more users on Jellyfin the better shot it has at getting more developer attention and users willing to contribute financially even if just occasional one off donation. How it goes with any open source application. More users, more developer interest, more feedback from users, subset of users willing to financially support the project
The business model here is to basically paywall one user sharing (probably) pirated content with another person?
That was announced 2 months ago?
And? Does that make it alright? 😆
No but the fact that software is reasonable to charge for does.
Don’t you understand it’s a feature that doesn’t require any of there servers. It uses your internet. They could charge for other things but this one, no.
But they develop the software and need to fund that regardless of technical reasons.
Ok, they can still do that for better features and not just for something that can be done for free. They also went public and made a lot ofoney which now the investors also want. Not my problem.
There are other options if you want something entirely free. I’m actually surprised that feature was ever free.
Because you port forward and share your device to the internet and not use their server. It’s obvious why it was free lol. Why are you suprised? And there were thousands of alternatives to plex that needed pay so it was obvious why they would make a free feature a free feature.
Doesn’t it use their servers to set up the connection between the client and the host? And I seem to recall that if you have a double NAT situation (or something like that) then it will actually stream the content over their servers as well.
I never stated if it does or does not. But seems like a lot of people are surprised about this news.
Why are you even using emojis?
I don’t have an email, and I didn’t get any notifications in my plex dashboard…
Every time one of these gets posted I say “wait what? That was free before??”
This is the kind of feature I think is reasonable to charge for. As were the others people were complaining about. Plex lifetime pass is a one time fee.
It was only a matter of time. Plex is a Series C startup, employs 100+ people, and has taken substantial VC investment. Those investors are expecting exponential returns, and a “one-time lifetime payment” will never sustain that sort of growth
In 2012 (ish), I bought a lifetime subscription for a flat $75. Over the next few years of using it, they got worse and worse with shit like this, so I switched to Emby for a bit, and then Jellyfin. I never shared with friends, tho, because I have no friends, so it was always just a pretty interface and convenience for me. Lately, I’ve just been opening the files directly in VLC, because Remmina is refusing to connect to my media server, and I can’t be arsed to figure out why.
I’ve only ever used jellyfin and have no complaints.
I avoided plex and went with jellyfill because it’s free/libre software.
“On 21 May 2008, XBMC developer Elan Feingold forked the source code of XBMC and started a new project called Plex”
GPL v2 source.
They’ve long been suspected of being greedy lil GPL violaters.
This was announced several months ago
I’m a server owner and had no idea. If I did, I would have left then.
What’s the alternative you’re going with?
I’ve been testing out Jellyfin for a while anyway. I’m honestly surprised how much they’ve caught up
That’s another service that doesn’t provide free remote streaming, not without setting up remote access in a way that would also work for Plex. So why is this the change that’s making you leave Plex?
Jellyfin absolutely does provide free remote streaming. Plex use to, but no longer will. That is why it’s a change making people switch.
I’ll ask you the same question… What steps did you take to get it streaming outside of your house?
Give the address of the server and login info
You can forward a port in your router like you would with Plex, or you can use a reverse proxy, or Tailscale Funnel if you want to get jazzy wit it.
Then all you do on the client side is pop in the address.
I don’t understand why people keep saying that. I can stream outside my network. Others can stream it from outside my network. That’s remote streaming in my book.
What steps did you take to get it streaming outside of your house?
Probably the same steps you’d need to if you use Plex and are CGNATED (thanks CGNAT for teaching me basic networking).
As a server owner, you should be keeping an eye on tos and updates/changes to the software you use. You probably got an email but ignored it?
The beginning of enshittification.
Prices will keep climbing, functionality reduced in favor of service tiers, and of course ads, ads, and ads.
“your friends”
dude my friends don’t charge me for shit
So as long as the server owner has Plex pass everyone’s still able to stream from the server?
Thing that has always been free for over a decade now suddenly costs a subscription even though there is no overhead to Plex
Yeah, don’t care, scummy thing.
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Exactly. I have a lifetime pass and everything works for me and the people I share my library with.
Well it doesn’t take effect till later in the month so it working now isn’t really pertinent.
If you as the server owner have a Plex Pass, everyone can stream from your server without paying. This removes the payment required for Android and iOS too.
For now. Their most recent round of venture capital was 40 million and that was like the 7th one. Those investors are gonna be demanding returns if they haven’t already and they will eventually push to monetize as much as possible
If plex works for you now then sure, don’t fix what isn’t broken. Jellyfin isn’t going anywhere and is just getting better, if anything holding off on migrating just increases the chances that migrating will be smoother. But guarantee you that in a certain amount of time plex will fuck over their customers
I’ve been running Jellyfin just for the metadata on the same library as Plex.
If Plex goes full evil at some point, I can just shut it down and switch to Jellyfin.
But for the time being the UX on Plex is so much better I can’t be arsed to switch. Especially since I got my Lifetime Pass like a decade ago for 79€ or something. I’ve got more than my moneys worth for it.
I run them side by side too. I also have plexpass from ahes ago.
But I actually like the jellyfin ui better. It’s simple, to the point and most importantly fast. Sit. Down click jellyfin click show, go.
Plex just feels laggy and sloppy in comparison.
