also downvoted for preferring democracy lol
also look at these weird ass rules. This is for the “korea” community
Insecure much?
I like how this ignores that not only did the DPRK start the war, but the vast majority of the UN lined up behind South Korea, after the USSR stormed out of the security council meeting - they still had quorum, but the Soviets apparently assumed they didn’t, or would adjourn, or something. They didn’t. As a direct result, United Nations Command was established to specifically support South Korea in 1950.
I love how this kinds of communities describe themselfes as welcome to discussion and the write all the “facts” as a rule and everybody who says anything els gets banned.
I, for one, am sick of the media I listen to constantly telling me it would be fine to completely destroy North Korea in an invasion.
I am seriously very curious about who these people are that are posting and participating in this place. Is it North Korean trolls? Normal trolls who are taking the piss? Western communists who know it’s bullshit but see it as their duty to say it anyway? Western communists who really believe it? Russians who just want to talk up their friends and poop on the US and don’t really care if anyone believes it or not? People with mental illness? People who just want a tribe to be part of? Is it just the lemmygrad admins just making on-brand activity on their server? Who the hell is participating in this? Why?
Also, I took a look. Their video of people “enjoying” is very weird. It reminds me of the USSR Billy Joel concert with him yelling at his crew to take the cameras off people because they were only allowed to have fun off camera.
For me it’s mostly about hate. You guys downplayed palestine for the last year. Thus i hate you. Thus if you hate north korea, i love it.
When the fuck did we downplay Palestine?
Also, that’s MAGA / toddler logic.
If you guys spent as much energy protesting a genocide as you do whining about tankies there’d be peace in the middle east by now
For two years I’d say. It got worst around the elections but it’s still there
Western communists who know it’s bullshit but see it as their duty to say it anyway? People with mental illness? People who just want a tribe to be part of? Who the hell is participating in this? Why?
Yeah, pretty much summed it up. As for the why? it’s because they are lonely and lazy.
Also, I took a look. Their video of people “enjoying” is very weird. It reminds me of the USSR Billy Joel concert with him yelling at his crew to take the cameras off people because they were only allowed to have fun off camera.
I can believe the video is authentic. But it’s important to note that these are the 0.1 percent of North Koreans, the ultra rich. Most are incredibly impoverished. The video’s weird because none of them want to get sand on themselves, they don’t want to look like the dirty peasants, hence their awkward movements. Appearance is very important in North Korea.
Oh, it definitely looked genuine to me (although obviously I have no idea). It just didn’t look like anyone was having any fun.
Yeah, I don’t really understand why tankies pretend to be liberals so much. So many of their communities are all like ‘discussion welcome!’
But of course it isn’t actually welcome. I’ve noticed that it’s special to tankies, and that other extremists openly embrace their ignorance.
They are communists not liberals
lol they’re not communists.
Why can’t the be?
If someone says they they are a communist I believe them. (Sorry, I mean Marxist)
They aren’t communists either. But they long to be a liberal in red paint.
I’ve never seen a tankie want to be a liberal. They really like the world libtard.
They want to be liberals, they’re obsessed with liberty, freedom and they demand and defend tolerance.
Maoists maybe.
Marx wouldn’t recognize any of them.
I don’t think it matters much
These are people who call NK a free country so we aren’t talking about the most rational beliefs
You’re getting a lot of downvotes but no explanation.
Communism is a classless stateless society. The fact that all these groups are massive states with untouchable political classes rebuts any assertion of communism. Second is the difference between nouns and adjectives. The Communist Party is a noun. Such parties are never able to be described as communist however. In fact Vanguard parties are an antithesis to communism. And would have to be overthrown before achieving communism.
If you take leninism / maoism seriously. They are supposed to be frameworks with which to jumpstart communism. Sort of like all that " one weird trick to perfect health that doctors hate" spam you see all over the internet. Bullshit.
They go around calling themselves communists and I believe them
We aren’t talking about the most rational people here
They’ve given you no reason to believe them. They’ve lied to you about everything. I too am a communist. Anarco communist. Everything I stand for is opposed to them. One of us must be wrong.
But here’s something to think about before you decide who’s correct. They want you and others to treat them as if they were communist do you really want to give them what they want? That seems counterintuitive to accept their claims on face value when they’re so dishonest about everything else.
While for my part all I’ve done is try to engage you in good faith and treat if you like an adult.
And remember anyone they disagree with gets “rule 1” banned. Its so blatantly used as well, you can check the mod logs and see the things getting people banned for.
Hell look at the last “rule 1” ban on .ml someone was banned for posting:
“Where can I find a pie chart of market shares for the instances? I would expect that none of them is more than 51% alone. Only then we can call this “decentralization”, right?”
How very uncivil of them…
Look, I’m not some north Korea enthusiast. But i do think it’s alarming that America killed 25% of the north Korean population and then as a “thank you” split the country in two and hit the north with incredible strict economic sanctions. And then we’ve spent 70 years getting 3rd hand knowledge of the country through propaganda.
Do i think north Korea is some socialist paradise? Absolutely not. Do i think it’s fairly portrayed in English language news and social media?
Absolutely not
I imagine China forcing Koreans to rush armed and dug in American positions unarmed and en masse probably had more to do with that 25% dying than anything.
Although the meat grinder tactic China and Russia are so fond of is pretty effective, as the Battle of Chosin remains to this day the worst defeat the US Marines have ever suffered.
Anyway, you’re seriously misconstruing historical events.
It’s amazing when people say these things. Even Wikipedia will tell you 85% of all structures in North Korea were destroyed. No one even bothered to estimate military versus civilian deaths. I fucking hate tankies but there’s no point in being useless bullshitters ourselves. People with no regard for the truth are even worse than tankies.
some general(?) in the US air-force at the time complained that there was no more targets left to bomb
That’s a good point, I didn’t know about that little detail. Thanks for enlightening me.
America and the USSR agreed to partition Korea along the 38th parallel after liberating it from imperial Japanese rule.
Subsequent to that the Chinese communists agreed to arm and back north Korea in return for Korean support during China’s civil war.
Later on North Korea launched an invasion of South Korea I feel like this is a very important point you somehow completely failed to mention. They then captured most of the Korean peninsula down to Busan.
At this point the US (technically the UN but most forces were US) reinforced the ROK troops reclaimed the lost territory and invaded the north capturing Pyongyang.
At this point China reinforced the north Koreans and recaptured Pyongyang the fighting then stalemated around the 38th parallel after years of fighting an armistice was agreed and the current borders were agreed.
Your protratal of the US deciding on a whim to butcher the poor north Koreans then impose a separation on them would be laughable in how poorly it conveys events if you weren’t seeking to mis-atribute the cause of a war that killed 3 million people
And the standard penalty for invading another country is being bombed into the stone age? Nothing you said justifies what happened. Were NK bad? Fuck yes! Does that justify killing a quarter of their people? I hope you don’t think so, or you are at least are willing to massacre close to a hundred million Americans for consistency sake.
The standard penalty for starting a war is being in a state of war, during which your opponents will try to kill you. Until the war is over your opponents will keep trying to kill you.
Its worth noting that armestice wasn’t reached until Stalin died and the new soviet leaders weren’t interested in prolonging the war, which suggests that the belligerents in the conflict were happy to continue it as Koreans continued to die in order to support their territorial and idiological designs.
In my opinion the US shouldn’t have crossed the 38th parallel north, doing so brought china into the war and ended the possibility of a quick end to the war and fewer deaths, but that sin pales in comparison to starting the invasion in the first place.
The real tragedy is the same as it ever is in wars, innocent civilians and young soldiers die in droves because someone in power wanted more land, more subjects, more resources more power and made the decision to take it at the cost of these lives.
And let’s not pretend that if the ROK and the US didn’t fight there wouldn’t have been massacres of civilians, purges of intellectuals and “political dissidents” and forced migration.
The community we are in is somewhat appropriate when you are advocating that “war is bad” so people shouldn’t fight back when they are invaded because people die or powerful nations shouldn’t militarily support victims of invasions because that “prolongs the war” during which yes; people die. I see enough of that from the various anti-ukraine/pro-russia shills, it’s nice to see that logic gets applied to other cases where a country with red in it’s flag tries to annex its neighbour too.
It sounds to me like you think anything is fair in war. Provide as much random background as you want, none of it justifies the scale of destruction. Just look it up on Wikipedia and tell me again that it’s just war and it was all necessary to prevent the undoubtedly awful things NK had planned.
Way to disengage with every point made and assume I am a warmonger.
I did almost include a paragraph on the morality of the bombing of Pyongyang, but after some thought I realise it wasn’t even a decade after ww2 and area bombing cities was part of how America and its allies won that conflict.
Would you say bombing Germany was necessary or justified to stop facism in Europe? Was the bombing of Japan necessary or justified to end Japanese subjugation of Asia?
I’m not sure I have a consistent position on this, it feels like the bombing of Korea was excessive but the bombing of Germany was necessary, but I can’t find a good justification for that split.
Either way I’m not particularly interested in defending the US’s conduct, but the original commenter presenting the invading country as being innocent and laying all the blame for the war at the feet of the US is gross.
This isn’t even getting into the fact that NK has one of the worst human rights records in the world.
But you made no good points. The only consistent root position for your arguments to me was “everything good guys do is okay” and “war isn’t nice”. That’s why I decided to cut to the chase and ask the only relevant question. Tangential historical waffle for vague justification, without addressing the point, doesn’t interest me. Either it’s okay to kill 20% of a country, while claiming the moral high ground, or it isn’t.
Bombing of Germany and Japan was necessary sure, but the degree and targets are in question. Did they need to level Dresden or nuke Japanese cities? Did they have to target civilians en mass? No, they were just barbarians invoking “turnabout is fair play” and offering mealy-mouthed “war isn’t nice” canards in their own defence. Japan, in particular, was just a test of their new toy, perhaps one of the most disgusting things ever done. Notably in neither of these cases did the allies destroy 85% buildings for an entire country and kill a such a large fraction of the population.
Perhaps the undoubtedly vile Kim regime has been so hard to dislodge because the “good guys” inflicted such unnecessary mass destruction and trauma. It’s very easy to sell a narrative that the world is out to get you when the world was actually out to get your parents.
America and the USSR agreed to partition Korea along the 38th parallel after liberating it from imperial Japanese rule.
Your protratal of the US deciding on a whim to butcher the poor north Koreans then impose a separation on them…
Not afraid of straight up contradictions are you. Did the US impose separation or not? Koreans never agreed to that
Of course they didn’t. However, the alternative was the USSR and China wanted all of the peninsula, and I’m assuming that since the Koreans in the southern part of the nation were the first ones fighting to stop that, they didn’t like that option either.
Ah yes the US are the good guys who did it for koreans own good
Damn, their whole account is gone, what did they say?
I don’t remember the exact wording, but they basically said the Koreans probably didn’t want to be split in two by the USSR and United States.
Which is fair, considering South Korea still has a lot of people who want better relations with the North, they just don’t want to give up their freedoms to become serfs under a monarch.
Huh, surprised they got banned since that seems to be broadly true esp in context of your second point, maybe it was a different comment that got them nuked
Had to have been. I’ve seen some power trippin’ mods on Lemmy, but nobody has ever gotten banned for something so mild.
They were evading their ban. They’ve made hundreds of accounts because they get banned constantly for being a dick to everyone they consider American.
I keep calling them out and reporting them every time they do so, and they’re getting very upset about it. Apparently I’m a snitch that needs to die lmao.
Tankies should go to their best korea and shut up about how stalin, mao, polpot and the likes were really mis understood and really had some great ideas we should reimplement.
Hey, that’s me!
Sorry you had to go through so much hate.
It does feel bad, but I keep thinking about the people who don’t know any better falling into that way of thinking. If there is at least one person in there questioning their circle jerk. I feel like it can save people a lot of trouble.
Thanks for creating this post! I think it also helps.
That’s most likely why your comments were removed and your account banned, huh? Can’t have dissent.
Yup, they are not interested in having real discussions. They are just larping.
I know some of them are victims and are just there because they fell for it. You can tell because they are the ones who engage you with curiosity instead of contempt.
99,9% Alphabetization
list not in alphabetical order, straight to a
work campstate funded retreatFor anyone who like me was just confused and ignored it: They meant “literacy” but translated it badly.
Lol, the irony
They mean litteracy in Korean, kankalika
Well rule number 3 on the sidebar says be skeptical of your sources, so I’m quite sure that this checks notes Facebook meme is correct in saying alphabetization.
Must have been the .1
D good start P alright jumped a lot not a lot of room left K … Well now it’s not.
How can they claim even over 75 percent alphabetization? Are we to deny reality?
Teaching everybody to read isn’t that hard.
It’s called schools
Nah, I’ve just been there and talked to everyone. They say it’s all good
99.9% alphabetization
Why do tankies like to post poorly translated propaganda? Like at least take the time to localize that shit bruh wtf.
Just more casual racism.
Guess what idiot not everybody have english as mother tongue
Beside usage absolutely accepts the word alphabetization as in “teaching the alphabet”.
The rise of the printing press in the mid-15th century furthered the cause of alphabetization by sparking an unprecedented explosion in the dissemination of information. — Meilan Solly, Smithsonian Magazine, 9 Oct. 2020
The context of that quote is the establishment of a standard alphabetical ordering. Alphabetization refers to ordering items in accordance with that standard.
And not everybody have English as first language, you fkn racist
Because they are poorly localized.
They are not who they say they are, full stop.
That was one of the wildest comment chains I have read. If anybody is interested: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7781901
The only sane person I found in this post is @ITguru@feddit.nl lmao
It’s a pretty common thread for tankies. Comes up probably once a week.
And they’re Gebannt…
Man, there is so much missing from this.
This I think is the indictment of the U.S.'s public education.
Are you implying that homelessness equates to education?
No, he’s saying that americans are dumb enough to believe such garbage
It’s universal though. USA at a higher percentage of people.
Yeah what’s a bit of casual racism on top of the anticommunist cake
Any country that says that they don’t have any “homeless or beggars” is either lying, or killing people on the street.
Or living in a labour camp.
The part they don’t like talking about is the police approach homeless people in China and give them the option to either do whatever job tbey are given or go to prison and dissapear.
Ah that’s what they mean with “right to work”!
Hey they have “right to work” in Florida! They must be the most “Democratic” place in the world!
When they refer to South Korea as Occupied Korea, I almost can’t breathe from laughing.
I can’t believe they choose North Korea out of all places
If they can fool someone thinking NK is good, they can scam them easily.
They love authoritarianism, they’re bootlickers, so they latch onto Russia, China and North Korea. They completely ignore real communist countries like Cuba or Vietnam.
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Cuba and Vietnam aren’t exactly shining beacons of democracy
Never said they are lol
Do you only post to disagree with comments you reply to?
Yeah, that’s a recurring theme of communist regimes.
Don’t tell that to Lemmy
How dare the tankies be communists
Why can’t we just agree that both the US and DPRK are undemocratic?
🤦
The US is currently hybrid regime, DPRK is, and has been, a full totalitarian regime for the past few decades.
I’m tired of seeing these .ml arseholes, how can I block the whole instance??
infosec.pub
defederates
lemmy.ml
lemmygrad.ml
hexbear.netOr just go to settings, but this method won’t block you from seeing a .ml user commenting on, say .world, for example.
The very best thing I have ever heard about infosec.pub.
That’s why I’m on infosec.pub. There should be a list somewhere of instances which defederate from those annoying instances so people can more easily pick a good home server.
In your account settings I think. You can do so in your web client or app you use.
I haven’t blocked ml of hexbear cause I find some of their content interesting. I always like to consider all sides.
