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I still struggle with tipping on to go orders. I usually keep that at around 10% but sometimes I feel like even that much shouldn’t be warranted.
I do 15%. I’m hoping the kitchen staff sees some of it.
It doesn’t even make sense to do it then, but sometimes I cave to the pressure.
And this is why when people call for to-go orders after I’ve started doing clean-up (usually 8 or 9), I won’t take their order and tell them kitchen is closed for to-go. If they come in to order that’s fine, and most nights I’ll do it basically up until I close down, because they are more likely to tip for it, and re-cleaning isn’t that hard. The owner of the place told me it’s entirely my call on that, and she won’t re-open the kitchen for to-go either because people usually don’t tip for it.
I cook everything myself as well as being the only bartender, and our food is fairly inexpensive, so it doesn’t end up costing all that much and 10% is basically nothing, assuming they even leave that. I’m not doing that shit for no reason. Fuck all that noise.
So do be conscious of what sort of place it is before you apply that rule. If it’s somewhere with a full kitchen and kitchen staff that gets paid decently, sure. Little bar and grill with at most 2 people working and making not that much? Ehhhh…
Yeah, cause we should all do this calculus to determine tipping. The point is that tipping shouldnt exist. I understand thats a scary thought to those that survive on tips though.
Knowing if you are picking up food from a tiny place where one of two people do everything, or a big one with full kitchen staff, is calculus? Around me you can tell by the size of the parking lot so it’s dead simple. But even if not you can absolutely tell when you walk in to pick it up.
I agree that tipping shouldn’t exist, I hate working for tips. But since I do, there are things I won’t do because they don’t pay. Like going above and beyond for to-go orders.
Not gonna stop doing it though. In fact, my brain is broken in such a way that. If I see someone else not tipping, then I have to tip even more to make up the difference.
Lol… How is this a meme.
Anyway, just avoid joints that need tipping. Fuck the restaurant industry and their fucking owners. I am done with that shite
Tipping amount goes up and quality of food and service down
Then they act indignant when three dudes need the check separate 🤡
WTF am I tipoing for, asshole?
Anyway, just avoid joints that need tipping.
That was always encouraged. If you don’t want to tip, don’t eat at restaurants in places where tipping is relied upon.
I tip cash so the server doesn’t need to share the tip with anyone when I do go out…
Remember folks this is an adversarial arrangement, fuck the owner 🐸
Tipping is one of the only reasons to carry cash
I like to pay by card and hand the waiter a bill or two so they aren’t giving half of their tip to management
I adjusted my tip to 10%. Yep they don’t pay tax, so I adjusted accordingly
I want to share my perspective on this as someone who works for tips.
I don’t like tips in theory, but I’d be below the poverty line without tips so I really appreciate them. I also enjoy that they act as a mechanism to adjust my wage to the work I’m actually doing; I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it’s dead, and without tips I’d make the same amount despite working much more.
I think realistically, unless we also massively adjust how the labour economy works, eliminating tipping would make profits higher for owners and make service industry workers poorer.
Like I’d gladly trade my tips for universal basic income, I would not trade my tips for poverty wages.
I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it’s dead, and without tips I’d make the same amount despite working much more.
You’re not selling your work, you’re selling your time. If you’re at the restaurant on a slow day, you’re not seeing your friends and family and you’re not using your time however you want to. If you’re spending the exact same amount of time at the restaurant on a slow day as on a busy day, you should take home the exact same amount of money and I’m having a hard time understanding why you would argue your employer’s case of paying you less under any circumstances. I think it’s a question of self-respect. Who gives a shit about “producing value” for someone else? You’re there, sacrificing your time, and that’s what you should get paid for. If your employer can’t efficiently use the time they employed you for, that’s their problem and never yours.
I’m not arguing for my employer to pay me less. I’m just saying I like the fact I make more money when I have to work more.
On a slow day, I’m basically chilling with my coworkers and my customers (both of who I do actually enjoy spending time with). On a busy day, I can be running around making food, drinks, cleaning, without even having a thought for myself or a second to relax and breathe for stretches of like 5 hours straight.
My wage before tips is fair to the amount of work I do if no one comes in. I would not be satisfied with my untipped wage on a day where we serve 80+ people an hour.
Obviously, I wouldn’t complain if we eliminated tips and made the minimum wage close to what I make with tips on a busy day. That’s not what I think would happen, though. Realistically, under the current economic system, most restaurants could not afford to pay their employees that much. Which is why I said in my original comment that we’d need some sort of change to the labour economy before I’d be willing to give up my tips (such as UBI).
My wage before tips is fair to the amount of work I do if no one comes in.
If that works for you, that’s great. I wouldn’t accept these conditions because, as I said, my time is sacrificed just the same, regardless of how busy it is. You’re not getting paid for the amount of food and drinks you prepare but for the time you spend at your employer’s disposal. But that’s why I don’t work a tipped job in the first place, I guess.
The one good thing about tipping is that it goes 100% to the actual worker standing in front of you.
Alright peeps, who is going to break the news to this person?!
I mean, it’s kinda true.
Some places do tip sharing, but not most (though most have some sort of tipping out to the back of house staff,) and obviously you pay taxes on tips.
But I think the sentiment was that it’s not lining the pockets of the business owner, which is true.
the sentiment was that it’s not lining the pockets of the business owner, which is true.
You have a lot of trust in these owners for one… They steal from workers regularly
But even if assume they are not outright stealing.
I ain’t fucking tipping back of the house. Parasites turned tipping into full blown wahe subsidies for their shiti operations and I got a problem with that.
Hence I why I tip cash. Fuck the owner. It is not my obligation to pay for his staff while having zero input on how staffing is being done.
So, any tip that doesn’t go to the server is theft imho
I don’t understand why the normie is so willing to accept these clown schemes
Because servers are abused so heavily they have no options to resist. They don’t like the situation either but if people stop tipping then they are worried they will be poor.
Its like if you were imprisoned in my house, and I fed you home-cooked meals but put a somewhat tolerable amount of poison in each meal as well. If you complained about the poison, and I said well I guess you could just not eat at all, then you might say something like “well I don’t like poison necessarily but I do need it to survive right now.”
I wouldnt call you pro-poison if you said that though, just like I don’t think most of these tipped workers support the structure of tipping.
I am talking about the customer here why are they so willing to accept tip sharing as in response to comment above
Peer pressure. It feels to most people that choosing not to tip is itself an action, and they are worried other people will judge them for it. Same reason people return carts at the grocery store, for the most part.
Wow what a massive adjustment to the labor economy that you give money to the workers what model on earth has something that advanced except every other nation almost on the planet that is not hyper capitalist class war pigs
I’d love for the place I work at to be an employee-owned co-op or something but those aren’t really a thing around here, and sadly I’m not rich enough to start a business and open one myself.
Also, could you please cut back on the snarkiness a bit? It doesn’t really make for pleasant conversation.
What I thought it was funny. It’s the best way to deliver humility blows to hyper capitalist zombies that don’t demand policy change with every fiber. If it’s so pointless to fight it, why stay in such a place? You are prisoners and it is wonderful to be a bit snarky when pointing that out. It’s because in your mouth is narratives that was just put there by the masters of your slave labour nation
No your tips become profit for the greedy assholes who own the restaurant, you aren’t compensating for non tippers, you are compensating for greedy cunts not paying people a living wage and the fact that most Americans can’t understand this and are agreeing with the post calling people who don’t tip as rude is why tipping is never gonna leave this fucked up country
Not tipping is rude. You are not facilitating change by not tipping, because the burden of your choice is felt almost entirely by the worker you stiffed. The employer is not motivated to pay their employee more from reduced tips because they aren’t really worse off for it. Sure, maybe their employee eventually quits if they aren’t making enough, but tip industries typically have high turnover anyway, so the worker is already considered replaceable. The worker suffers from missing an expected part of their income, but they also lack the ability to make things better for themselves. So it’s just piling onto their bad situation.
If you want to get rid of tip culture, stop patronizing places that rely on tips to give their employees a living wage. That’s how capitalism works, businesses make changes in their power when something affects their bottom line. So you have to protest in a way that actually hurts the person with the power to change something, not someone caught in the crossfire. And of course, try to support reform that guarantees a living wage regardless of tips.
In Europe tipping is optional and the expectations are lower because the base wage is the full minimum, or higher.
In North America tipping has become a necessity because there is a lower minimum wage for waitstaff, which is a stupid arrangement that allows management/ownership to keep wages low and also now claim a portion of tips, for some reason.
Anyone who thinks that is a good system and that the problem is “cheapskates”, not the deeply flawed system for paying waitstaff, is not thinking things through
I don’t disagree with anything you said. But being a cheapskate is rude and will not solve the problem.
It works both ways. If noone tips then noone will work at restaurants where their wage consists solely of tipping. That is also how capitalism works.
If everyone quit tipping at once, yes, that would mean immediate, dramatic change. But that is unrealistic. And some people not tipping in protest when it is expected while most continue the tradition is the worst outcome for the workers. It makes their material conditions worse but not to the point of achieving anything.
Capitalism works by putting poor people is actual crossfire and then incentivise giant hulking demonic entities to engulf the planet. Sterile headless doom machines that employ sociopathic human turncoats and force them to labor or lobby in the name of profit, the final score of which global rabiate construct was the best at the game of purging tellus. You conflate the two
I’m sorry, I can’t understand what you are saying.
We should end tipping culture. Wages should never be optional, and anyone working full time should be paid by their employer a living wage as described by FDR when the minimum wage was created.
Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers. You’re not some edgy social justice warrior by quoting Mr. Pink and acting like keeping your two dollars is somehow helping. You’re just an asshole.
Well in Australia we don’t have tipping.
You sure you don’t use some other word? You guys have one of the best accents out there but can be tough to understand.
Calling it culture sounds a bit weird to me it’s an exploitative loophole that’s illegal in cultured places.
That’s fair. We should call it regulation and labor laws. Minimum wage laws specifically enshrine tipping as a foundation of server wages, and closing that loophole is a necessary first step.
The whole point of that scene was that even a room of psychotic killers was disgusted by the idea of not tipping.
It’s amazing how many people saw it and said, “You know, the crazy-eyed murderer makes a good point.”
A person who does something wrong can still be right about other things. Tipping is an idiotic system.
Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers.
If everyone continues to tip by default, then I believe this will delay or prevent an end to the culture. If servers don’t have an issue with tipping (because everyone does so), then there is less reason to support change.
If one person doesn’t tip:
You’re just an asshole.
If a large majority doesn’t tip:
Maybe there is a problem with tipping by default?
That’s not how anything works. If you want change, you need to vote for it. You’re not going to change the entire economic structure of the whole restaurant industry by being a selfish asshole. You’re just punishing the people who handle your food and making life harder for everyone.
Who do I vote for specifically to end tipping culture?
I don’t know where you live, but start local. And in the meantime, stop going to restaurants.
Exactly! Don’t stiff the worker, stiff the business
It definitely does not work in an environment where lazy aggressive apatheists will support a system they don’t like by claiming it can’t be changed.
First day on Earth? Welcome. Mind the dog shit, some people don’t pick up after themselves.
If the large majority doesn’t tip, wait staff will become homeless. That’s the only “message” you’re sending. Restaurant owners won’t care in the slightest.
Don’t patronize organizations that don’t pay their employees. This is the message, you’re claiming you want to send. You have to take money away from the people who set the policy, not the worker who has to live under the policy. Find restaurants that refuse tips and spend your money there. (Or just don’t go out.)
Until we end tipping, tip your servers.
…not the worker who has to live under the policy.
They don’t have to work there.
They do, their alternatives are being homeless, or working at another company that’s very likely managed the exact same way.
The lack of a social safety net or sufficient welfare, empowers exploitative labour conditions.
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They do, their alternatives are…
So they don’t.
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Restaurants are the backstop for a lot of people that have nowhere else to work. They aren’t worried about a spotty background check, they won’t run a drug screening, they just care that you show up on time.
Are you advocating for no more servers? Or are you suggesting that only the desperate should do the job? Or is your point that someone who chooses to be victimized by society should simply accept their rung on the ladder?
The single best thing people can do to end tipping culture is to just stop tipping.
Vote for social safety nets or make donations to care for those who will be harmed by this.
But right now it’s people like you that are perpetuating tipping culture.
And yes, I am an asshole - but it’s not solely because of my stance on tipping.
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Lol, I’m sure your reasoning is really going to make a difference to the person depending on tips to make rent. And I’m sure the owner is just going to feel terrible that his server didn’t get compensated.
Maybe you should just avoid giving your business to restaurants that exploit the tip based system? You aren’t ending tipping culture by not tipping, you’re just taking advantage of workers just as much as the owners.
If a person doesn’t tip, their server doesn’t get tipped.
If that same person avoids giving business to restaurants that exploit the tip based system, the same server still doesn’t get tipped.
You’re not ending tipping culture by tipping, either. Just saying.
the same server still doesn’t get tipped.
They may have more time or availability for someone who does tip, plus they aren’t wasting their labour on someone.
You’re not ending tipping culture by tipping, either. Just saying.
Yeah, but I never claimed I was attempting to end tipping culture by wasting people’s time and effort.
Again, why not just support businesses that don’t rely on tipping to pay their staff?
the same server still doesn’t get tipped.
They may have more time or availability for someone who does tip, plus they aren’t wasting their labour on someone.
Oh, wow. Suddenly they’re not being paid at all only because one person doesn’t tip? How does that work?
Yeah, but I never claimed I was attempting to end tipping culture by wasting people’s time and effort.
Not tipping wastes nobody’s time. That’s not how time works. You did say “You aren’t ending tipping culture by not tipping, you’re just taking advantage of workers just as much as the owners” which I turned around on you, though. Also, what you said here is wrong because I don’t exploit anybody’s labour by not tipping since I’m not getting paid to eat out. You understand that.
Again, why not just support businesses that don’t rely on tipping to pay their staff?
Why didn’t I think of that and not do it for the last 20 years? You really opened my eyes to the most obvious thing ever! I already don’t perpetuate a system that exploits workers. Maybe you should too.
Oh, wow. Suddenly they’re not being paid at all only because one person doesn’t tip? How does that work?
Lol, I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a restaurant before? If you are taking one of their tables and they are having to serve you, and you don’t tip…they don’t get money for that table and whatever time you used it for. If you hadn’t taken up the table, they may have gotten a customer who wasn’t an asshole.
Not tipping wastes nobody’s time
It wastes the servers time, but you don’t seem to think that matters.
which I turned around on you, though.
How, by being wrong?
I don’t exploit anybody’s labour by not tipping since I’m not getting paid to eat out. You understand that.
Tipping is wrong because it turns over the responsibility of labour expense to the customer. You, the customer are denying that labour expense and leaving the labourer unpaid for their labour. Meaning you are participating and taking advantage of their labour.
Why didn’t I think of that and not do it for the last 20 years?
Lol, you are still participating in the tip culture if you give your business to places that rely on tipping, but don’t tip. The owner still gets paid and doesn’t give a shit if the server does or not.
And if you are saying you don’t go to places that accept tips, then why are you even fucking talking to me? My whole point was that people who don’t like tipping culture shouldn’t go to places that accept tips.
I know how tipping works, thank you. If I’m not being tipped for waiting a table, I still get paid hourly wages, meaning I get money for that table or any other I wait during my work hours. If I hadn’t taken that table, I would still make hourly wages. I can’t believe you don’t know that. You’re not just acting obtuse, are you?
Not tipping wastes nobody’s time. Servers are paid by the hour. Hours are time. Servers do not get to leave earlier when they receive tips. Do you think restaurant owners waste servers’ time by underpaying them? Be honest.
You know what turning something around on someone means. If you’re unsure what happened, please make use of the scrolling up technology and use your eyes and brain to read what it says there. You already agreed that tipping doesn’t end tipping culture, so your act doesn’t really make sense now.
I don’t employ servers, so it is in no way my responsibility to pay their wages. I’m responsible for paying for the food and service that I receive. The owner is responsible to pay for the labour they receive. Rather simple in concept, really. It’s fine if you’re OK with picking up someone’s employer’s tab, I won’t. Just don’t confuse who’s exploiting who just because you so desperately want to shift the blame away from the restaurant owner. Why are you even doing that? You’re in a situation where one guy says “hey, you’re going to work for me full time but I’m only paying you a fraction even though I receive the full labour. If you’re lucky, my customers donate some of their money to your living expenses. Most do, the others are huge assholes, right?” and you go “right, that’s very fair and sensible. Thank you so much for this opportunity, Mr Moneybags! Oh, the system surely sucks but apart from shaming customers into shelling out for what you systematically withhold, there’s just nothing that could be done :(” Does your family own a restaurant or something?
What part of “I haven’t frequented tipped restaurants in 20 years” did you not understand? Obviously I have an opinion on tipping, how are you having trouble understanding that I would voice it in a public forum when that is the topic? You made a shitty point and I commented on it, why would not going to tipped restaurants keep me from doing that, exactly? Your logic is fucked up all around.
Bullshit, and that’s a dangerously naive perspective. If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow, the only people that would be hurting are the people who serve.
All labor regulations exist because there will always be someone desperate enough to do anything for a paycheck. Child laborers. Prostututes. Dallas Cowboys. People will do anything for money, and the only way to prevent exploitation is with regulation. The “free market” will turn your bones into paste before it provides a living wage to laborers.
Capitalism is an unbalanced power dynamic that relies on an excess of desperation. If people didn’t need to sell their time, they’d never sell it for less than it is worth to employers. So if everyone agreed to just stop tipping, service would get much worse, and servers would be working for $2.10 an hour plus kitchen scraps.
At least we agree on uour last point.
That’s not. How. Tipped. Wages. Work.
Why do people insist that you get paid 2.10/hr? That’s 2.10/hr + Tips IF AND ONLY IF that wage equals more than minimum wage. That’s how it’s always been.
If minimum wage is 7.25 (in a lot of states, it still is), then they are paid 7.25x40 OR 2.10x40+tips, whichever of those two numbers is higher. They CANNOT LEGALLY PAY YOU less than minimum wage.
So when people say “If you stopped tipping today, all that would be hurt is the tipped workers” I’m less inclined to believe them if they also parrot absolutely false information without a second thought.
But I do agree with you, tipped wage jobs suck, and the tips seem to be the only benefit. So, let’s ensure they get a proper wage from their employer, stop tipping, and if service sucks until things are figured out, I guess I’m eating at home or eating shitty-service burgers because I’d rather the system get un-fucked than continue to engage in that system.
You’ve never worked a tipped job, have you? Estimate the percentage of employers who pay minimum wage if tips are too low. Throw out any number.
“You’ve never worked a tipped job have you?”
Proceeds to describe an illegal situation
Wow, you’ve never worked a job before, huh?
If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow, the only people that would be hurting are the people who serve.
Who would then not want to work in those places that depends entirely of tipping. And then it hurts the owners of those places.
How are you unable to realise this? It is all connected.
That’s literally the rest of the comment. Did you just stop reading there?
All the hospo staff I know are incredibly generous people
It goes both ways. We do want families and kids to come in and eat. Some people don’t tip well because they don’t have the means and that’s okay! It’s socialized service. You can look at it like you’re supporting the people who are working and those who want their kids to have experiences they otherwise couldn’t. Just like the guy who orders 3 cocktails subsidies the water and sandwhich guy. Or the 4 kids meals and fries guy. You can look at it a lot of ways.
In the US, servers and restaurant staff tip like 100% of the time they go out because they know how important it is with our current pay laws, and they know that the waiter expecting that tip isn’t the one making the laws or who deserves to be punished for them. So that tip is almost always going to someone else who also tips.
Btw, don’t bother arguing with me that tipping is wrong so we shouldn’t do it. I agree that it’s wrong, but abstaining punishes the wrong people (servers, not owners or policymakers). So instead of writing a comment, write a letter to you local govt to eliminate sub-minimum wages for tipped workers, and keep tipping poor waiters and drivers til they change something.
All the things I’ve read say that a majority of tipped workers (as well as the general population) prefer the current tips system. Maybe it’s not true, but looking at the comments here it seems accurate.
They don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them, literally. Its an expected response. Those that don’t depend on tipping or who can look at a bigger picture are able to be less biased in most cases.
Let’s be clear, paying someone 2$ an hour is never okay, tipping or not.
Former tipped employee here. This is probably correct, but I don’t care. The majority is often wrong. They can be educated. Change is scary, and the people who benefit from the status quo demonize changes that will give them less power.
I would probably have made less money if paid a salary, but it would be worth it to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.
to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.
Can you explain more? Like, why is it an either-or-situation?
People often want things that are against policy. Just as the first example that comes to mind, think about a bartender giving a regular patron a long pour or a free drink. That’s good for tips, but bad for the restaurant. That’s not always the case, but a good waiter can usually bend or break the rules to keep a guest happy.
I work at the most expensive restaurant in my town, FOH workers are paid $2.13 (regardless of tips) and servers have to tip out 30% to assistants and bar. If everybody stopped tipping one day then some of them will literally not even have the money to buy gas to go home.
An expensive restaurant pays $2/hr and we think people tipping/not tipping is the problem?!
Usually if you make under the federal minimum wage they’ll bump you up to minimum wage for the shift. I know my restaurant does. But yeah thats still nothing
Our job does not apparently, asked my sous chef about it when I learned and he doesn’t understand if it’s legal or what
Its illegal, they legally need to compensate you the difference if your tipped wages is under the federal minimum wage.
Cool, now the underpaid staff has to find counsel to go sue their employer. Guess it worked out in the end.
Yes, and then the restaurant would close because noone can work there. They might have to consider paying a decent wage.
Y’all act like there aren’t restaurants that already pay a standard wage. Stop supporting your oppressors, its a shitty look.
This comment section is all people missing the point.
The point of the post is that a particular job will generally stabilize at a particular pay. If it’s a tipped position, then the employer will pay less, so that the overall income is roughly at that stable income for that position, including the overall average tip.
So people who tip less than the average are free riding off of the people who tip more than average, where that worker will make an average tip overall, which comes more from the generous tippers than the stingy tippers. Thus, it effectively transfers money from generous tippers to stingy tippers, on net, in the long run.
The merits of this system, whether servers deserve to be paid more, whether we should push for reforms so that this isn’t the system, is besides the point. The post is making an observation of how things actually are, not advocating for how things should be.
No worker should depend on tips. Problem solved
And yet, people do.
Should we just ignore the dynamics of that system, and pretend it doesn’t exist? Or can we make observations about that system, and analyze its effects?
We should change it
change is meaningless without prior analysis.
Yeah, well, it is Not that difficult.
what the fuck does this even mean
Tip your waitstaff. Don’t be a pos.
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Yes, at this point it’s rude people that don’t tip.
It’s like people moving next to an airport, then complaining about planes. If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a full service restaurant.
That being said, every single order at the counter POS terminal that asks for tips can fuck right off.
It’s rude that the insane hyper capitalist dictatorship forces this, but you attack your own class, exactly like the oligarchs want. They want free mercenaries to sow hate and dispute in their own class so they can win the class war. In the end when all humans die it will be because nobody attacked the oligarchy while they set up the feral slaying machine corps that will salienate the planet.
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The tipping system sucks, but short of passing some laws mandating a livable wage WITHOUT tips, going out now and not tipping for a full service dining experience is absolutely a bad move.
Basically you’re advocating for customers to screw over the wait staff since, as you clearly point out, the owners aren’t on the hook for the tip income.
They are advocating for not supporting a broken system so it can be replaced with a better one.
How long do you think that wait staff will stay in the restaurants where their wage consists of tipping which doesn’t exist?
The tipping system is fucked, but that doesn’t at all change the fact that it’s baked into the system. EVERYONE (in that moment) expects you to to tip; so if you don’t, you’re effectively stealing from the server.
If you don’t want to tip, your only options are to either not eat out at restaurants, or to find restaurants that have “Hospitality Included” service (a trend which I’m thankful to see growing – albeit slowly).
What if everyone didn’t expect you to tip? You vehemently defending the tipping system is part of why EVERYONE expects you to tip.
That kind of aggressive apatheism is what makes the system continue.
Okay, then at the very least when you walk in you should declare your intention to not tip. Still shitty towards the server that gets stuck with you, but now it causes conflict amongst the staff and brings the issue to a head.
If you don’t want to tip, your only options are to either not eat out at restaurants
I would gladly take this option, but sometimes other people want to for some reason. I would rather just go for drinks at a pub.
It’s like people moving next to an airport, then complaining about planes.
I believe this analogy works in the opposite way?
Moving next to an airport is like starting a job at a restaurant that doesn’t pay minimum (or living) wage.
In either case, you know ahead of time that it’ll be annoying to live/work in those situations because planes are loud and not all people tip to make up the poor wage level.
And then to solve these problems, instead of requiring that planes be quieter or that people always tip, perhaps re-zone the areas surrounding the airport so people can’t move there, and sign into law minimum wage that scales with cost of living so people don’t have to need tips.
Both can be true
Tipping is basically donating money to the waiting staff (in a broader sense, to the management of the restaurant).
I think there are more people in need of donations than the ones who move your food 10 steps.
I would 10000% pick my own food and cary it to the table, as I often do in many “”“lower class”“” restaurants (diners?)
That, or add a flat service charge, add it to the check and pay fucking taxes (this is directed to the management).
I don’t tip. But I don’t live in the US.
The major problem is the ethics of tipping. In the U.S. tipping puts (all if not most) jobs into a category which employers now pay a sub-minimum wage. Legally the employer isn’t responsible for a federal minimum wage anymore because it is assumed tips will cover the rest of it. In actuality with taxes, many people don’t get a paycheck because of how little they earn. It just went to taxes.
EDIT: Imagine working full time (40 hours) and getting a piece of paper that says “THIS IS NOT A CHECK” telling you how little you earned.
Unless you’re talking about somewhere other than the US or you have some crazy locality, this doesn’t sound right.
In the US, the employer is legally obligated to make up the difference between what the employee earned (wage plus claimed tips) and minimum wage. In fairness to your point, that’s not a big help since the federal minimum wage is a joke. If they’re failing to do that, they’re breaking the law.
Additionally, taxes should be a percentage of their earnings. How would they be ending up with zero dollar paychecks after 40 hours?
I will just point you to an easy to digest video on this subject. https://youtu.be/89R9ZxKaIOw
