I’m feeling a little called out…
Yep.
Flippant, mildly humorous comment, one sentence: (2,345 👍) (123💬)
Well thought out, reliably sourced reply of one to two small paragraphs: (3👍) (0 💬)
This
Sorry your comment was too long I got bored halfway through
I barely made it through “Sorry.” TL;DR
Lemmy is actually better on this. I get a lot of upvotes for well thought-out long posts and comments here as well as humorous one-liners. I’ve been pleasantly surprised that people actually take the time to read out my longer posts. On reddit it’d probably just get lost and be another 1 thumber that never got read.
The key is also to make your story interesting. Something that pulls your reader in. Be personal and amicable. Realize you’re talking to real people and speak to those people in your writing. I’m more of a creative writing buff. I managed to eek out 98th percentile for creative writing in my SATs. I love writing. Its my favorite thing to do. I want to be an author. I fucking hate my ADHD. I’ve started a hundred books at least and either bore myself or tell myself its a stupid plot, even though I have friends and family begging for me to finish something.
My early books were written in small notebooks. The old ones that sorta looked like they had cowprint covers with a title on them. They’d get passed around the school for weeks. I’d get them back and people would keep asking me to continue. I never did. Fuck me, I hate ADHD sometimes. But your words are alive. They can heal, hurt, cause laughter and tears, and, above all, words can influence anything. Words are power and, as long as you are careful of that power, you can write any damn length you want.
Honestly, my fear now is AI. I like AI, but I don’t want to write a book and have people claim its AI or AI assisted. I’m regretting not writing one earlier now.
tl;dr: Is k. Writ stuf.
I do this, and I have a “graveyard log” file where I paste my discarded posts and replies.
I am never spending 20 minutes on any comment ever.
Good. Keep it that way. As someone who has done that (way more than I care to admit), it’s honestly not worth it 99.99999999% of the time.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and keep the unsent ones in the database for my enjoyment.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and […]
sell the data to AI companies
sell the data to other humans!
how much would you pay to see all the not sent comments of some account? Pretty sure it would be profitable.Imagine reading all the tweets that were never sent…
In all seriousness - I wouldn’t because I value people’s privacy, but I imagine it’d all be quite lucrative with the data economy being what it is.
Wasn’t that implemented once? Or was that a browser feature? I swear at some point what you typed into input comment boxes was saved.
Been there
I bookmark subreddits and read them without logging in. Every time I feel the urge, I’ve got a hurdle to cross before I can type anything. Then it’s immediately a “fuck it” moment and move on
The Reddit interface is so fucking obnoxious when you’re not logged in, I’ve just given up on the community entirely. Days of casually browsing have been ruined by the constant gating and engagement baiting and GUI hell they’ve injected into the site.
old.reddit.com works when logged out luckily.
r.50501.chat and redlib.northboot.xyz also work.
It’ll probably get deleted anyways!
Here’s a tip for how I’ve improved my social media experience greatly:
Stick to a rule of 1 comment and no further replies.
Strangers online are not going to be convinced by your point of view and there is nothing to gain from getting into a back and forth conversation. Unless it’s a particularly positive or productive conversation about a particular interest you share…there’s nothing to gain from arguing online and lots of potential mental damage you risk.
Actually a great tip, thanks! I will take this into my memory.
My rule is: nothing of value happens beyond the third level of nested replies. Lemmy’s (and reddit’s) format is about not just conversing with others, but the conversation being public and other people having a chance to interject with their own thoughts. But unfortunately, after a certain level, the UIs have to collapse or hide replies and comment, and almost no one clicks to see more or follow a thread, unless it’s a controversial discussion. So, if it is so far away from the OP that every single interface will hide it by default, and it’s not something positive, then it is not worth it to keep the convo and it doesn’t warrant a reply.
Proposal for an exception: Where the comments/discussion revolve around something non-controversial with people who are OK with partaking in a conversation without needing to win it.
Alternatively also:
If the topic is controversial and everyone is level-headed and talk calmly.
(Almost impossible on the internet, unless if there’s real good moderation).
I agree, but this scenario is purely hypothetical and so far not proven to exist. The Caps Lock was invented for a reason.
You’re clearly incorrect!
I know you’re playfully joking, but I second their opinion. I was basically on a crusade against misinformation in 2020 and 2021 against COVID deniers and election truthers. Nobody ever changes their mind. Nobody ever admits their wrong. No matter how respectful and accommodating you are, no matter what sources you find, it’s just not worth it. Give one response if you feel inclined, but don’t reply to the reply. Don’t waste your time. Don’t get pointlessly stressed.
People do change their minds sometimes, but it’s never done in the moment and if you press them too hard on their beliefs they’ll double down.
We know how to change people’s minds, and it’s paradoxically by not confronting the misinformation. Instead, present an alternate but real fact about the root cause of their mis-belief.
You don’t primarily reply to convince the person you reply to, it’s about the other readers.
On top of that, I don’t think most people realize how that level of dehumanization affects the conversation as a whole. We are not replying to people, we are replying to walls of text, abstract concepts, hypotheses, and we treat one another as such. It’s why anonymous internet discussions so quickly devolve.
It depends on the topic. If you talk about personal or emotional issues the other person is more important.
If you’re are arguing history or technology for example, then topical arguments and facts are more essential. Ideally you attack the arguments, not the person.
The devolvement is usually because there’s little social consequence to being obstinate and uncompromising.
A conversation can be about discovering new information by sharing perspectives and accumulating ideas and facts. If it devolves into a fight about who is right, then it’s about power, dominance, performance, not learning and discovery.
Places like this on the internet are also filled with people who are mentally unwell, have issues with social interactions, etc… That affects the quality of the conversation as well.
Getting into an argument gets you attention, dopamine, excitement and so on. You can be a mighty keyboard warrior fighting for whatever cause you find worthwhile. This makes you feel great while you’re actually a lonely NEET screaming into the void.
I’m speaking from experience here. I attended a group for internet addiction for a while. Half were gamers, the other half lonely NEETs wasting away their days by arguing on the internet.
I gotta say, there’s a sentiment that nobody has ever said anything on the internet that’s ever changed anyone’s opinion about anything. And it is not a damning indictment of the internet nearly as much as folks who live by the theory.
But maybe they’re right enough that it doesn’t matter. A thousand hours of posting could be spent doing something more productive in swaying public opinion. Maybe “Ender’s Game” is a lie and you cannot actually post your way to the Presidency. I mean, I certainly can’t think of anyone who went so ham on social media that they reshaped an entire nation’s political philosophy.
But also, maybe there’s a negative valiance to posting. Perhaps it’s just harder to post your way into people’s hearts and fill them with love. But its comparatively easy to post your way into their amygdalas and drive them insane.
This seems great but I wonder what the point is then.
If I can’t convince someone right of centre to come to my side and they can’t convince me to come to theirs what’s the point in conversing with people?
Furthermore why do we keep having a circle jerk about how right we are on things and calling out dumb stuff in the world if it’s all futile? Like we know the world is shit and getting worse so why do I relish in it and not just go climbing more.
You’re welcome to do that, but learn to do it properly. If you’re just looking to preach and be outraged, then you’re part of the problem. You can’t change others, but you can change yourself.
I personally love podcasts. I’ll always be able to recommend from there:
You Are Not So Smart: 306 - I Never Thought of it That Way - Mónica Guzmán (rebroadcast). Episode webpage and Media file
If a black man can make friends with the most racist KKK members, and actually get them to change their minds through conversation, then there’s hope for anyone.
I think that’s the only recommendation I’ve ever seen for You Are Not So Smart and that episode is particularly good. Daryl Davis is a truly amazing person.
Ah second comment! Got ya!
You’re not gonna convince me of your rule if you break it.
This is what pisses me off by left wing debate bros who basically just make their brand “trigger the conservatives.” They’re no better.
(I am not advocating for some sort of friendly both sides thing as an alternative.)
My stance is: when arguing on lemmy, you’re not only trying to convince the other one. You’re also trying to convince future readers. Even if the other one is an asshole, people see that and that has an effect.
I do this but I’ve come to believe it isn’t an admirable quality. I know I should probably strive for a different answer.
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If you had made the effort to remix the meme by changing it to say lemmy, I’d’ve upvoted.
Does it matter?
A lot of us are here because we burned our Reddit accounts and walked away.
Is it not clear from the way I wrote that comment that I thought it mattered…?
If I said a quarter of the shit I typed out online, my corpse would be in a Lebanese prison cell.
“I didn’t have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote a long one.”
i wanna say Mark Twain said that, but I’m not 100%
It’s a similar story with editing videos. Paring a video back is where most of the time goes.
Jane Austen I thought
Steve Austin?
Maybe it was Tony Hawk?
I think it was Darude Sandstorm.
Maybe it was Austin Mini?
I thought it was Victor Hugo but apparently it was Blaise Pascal
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You are the co-author of your own narrative, with the only other author being whatever you view God as.
You are the only author.
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I don’t view ‘god’ as anything because gods don’t exist.
Higher self then.
There is no evidence or need for a higher self. I am me and I will exist until I die and there is no need for anything beyond the immense universe we live in to give purpose or meaning to existence.
I really wish age appropriate psych classes were part of classical liberal arts education beginning in primary school were taught alongside STEM.
https://www.verywellmind.com/the-id-ego-and-superego-2795951
Superego = higher self. Afaik, this part of
Fred’sFreud’s pioneering work is still generally accepted as fact.Eta and if it helps people be better people without hurting anyone, until we develop and keep better societal systems no need to pee on whatever coping mechanisms people are using. Some people use substances, some use God.
Pretty telling that you see me expressing disagreement with someone else’s beliefs and explaining my viewpoint is ‘peeing’ on theirs. It isn’t like I told someone that ‘anyone with intelligence’ would have a different view like I got for simply stating that gods don’t exist.
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Atheism is such bullshit. Anybody with some intellect would at least consider themselves agnostic.
Reddit? Nah that’s literally every platform.
So many frickin times.
