Denuvo strikes again!
There is a class action law suit coming together on this.
Steam deck is a thing now.
Whine at the developer and Valve. They will whine at Denuvo. Chances are it’s something Denuvo haven’t checked for and can fix quite easily.
Especially on a “Steam Deck Verified” game.
I actually doubt it’s an easy fix. The issue is that each version of proton looks like a different machine. So when Denuvo only allows you to boot on [x] machines in [y] days, it’s easy to get locked out of a game simply because it looks like you booted it on a bunch of different machines.
Some of the game streaming services have this same issue. Nvidia has that thing where you can boot it on Nvidia’s servers, then stream it. But the issue is that when you boot it, you don’t get the same server each time. So if you’re playing a game that is prone to crashing, you can easily eat through your [x] machines count quickly. Not because you were playing it on different machines, but because it was booted on a different server each time you launched it.
I would have thought it would be a client side patch rather than server side, but surely it’s a case of taking whatever Proton is changing out of the machine “fingerprint” when generating it on a Steam Deck. There’s plenty of other things they can use to identify a machine.
That was definitely a thing trying to get Monster Hunter Wilds to work when it first came out.
nice, I have some games that use denuvo in my wishlist: I’ll make sure to kick them from there.
and for anyone wondering, this profile seems to track games using it:
https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/
Thanks for the list. I’m glad none of the games look like something I would buy in the future. Although I did see one or two that’s in my library, which I’ve already beaten years ago when I played on Windows.
That list is super helpful. So many games to avoid. Although, I was somewhat surprised by the number of Denuvo removed I’ve gotten through Humble.
Any idea why some games are not recommended and others are “informational”?
I can’t seem to find an explanation on the informational.
As far as I can tell, this is a user who reviews games that use Denuvo, and always reviews them as Not Recommended, but will change that review to “Informational” and the review text to “Denuvo removed” when the game removes Denuvo. There may be other circumstances when they’ll change it, though, so if you’re thinking of actually buying one of these games, it seems wise to click on the game’s “Not Recommended” or “Informational” and then scroll down on the store page until it shows you the relevant review. It should be highlighted on the page, though you have to scroll a ways down to see it. There is also a box just after the controller support info that lists 3rd party DRM a game uses, which should be there if the games uses Denuvo.
Thanks!
Underrated comment, this should be at the top.
Should every game be forced to support your chosen platform? I don’t see Mac users acting like this.
This isn’t even a platform issue per se, windows user complain just as much about denuvo, allbeit for different reasons.
They do, but this is a compatibility problem first and foremost. And as a Mac user since the 90s, that’s glaringly obvious to me.
It sucks that DRM is the wrench in the gears of Proton. But the game doesn’t have official support.
Did you even read the article? This is a matter of limiting the number of times a licensed user can authenticate their copy of the game within a day (based on hardware/software IDs).
It has nothing to do with OS compatibility. It can be recreated on windows machines by spoofing hardware IDs or even - god forbid - changing certain driver installs too many times.
It’s to stop pirates from using one a legit activation ‘key’ to provide the game to others. Which is funny because they’ve found a way to extract the denuvo ‘key’ from a demo and spoof full game denuvo access for other games.
Imagine supporting Denuvo lmao. What a guy
I’m not supporting any particular game or constellation of software. Just noticing the entitlement in the thread, and across Lemmy.
When people act entitled to pirate something, that’s when I think things are off the rails. They act like it’s their right to obtain other peoples work.
Invasive DRM is shitty. And it’s a bummer software does not easily work on all platforms. But no one is automatically entitled to a copy of someone else’s labor.
You know who else acts entitled to copies of other people’s labor? The AI companies.
🤡
People are always morally entitled to piracy.
When the state and corporate doesn’t respect your property or their contracts with you, youare obligated to engage in it as form of civil disobedience.
Media is 100% discretionary purchase… They act like it is rent 🤡
I’m allowed to read my book in the bathtub or in the seat of a plane. I’m not entitled to scan it and upload the result of this action in any form without involving the author.
^ this is common sense and gaming companies currently have so little, it’s pathetic. they’d rather see people litter the planet with 4 different PCBs and plastic of the current gen consoles than arrive at common sense.
I agree that DRM is stupid. There are plenty of examples these days where DRM went away and nothing fell apart. iTunes Music Store, GoG, region free discs.
Still clinging to DRM is regressive. And they are hypocritical, because DRM like the one this post deals with are regularly removed from the game after a period of time.
DRM doesn’t work.
Like I needed more reason to never buy games with Denuvo. But hey added to the list.
I don’t buy anything with Denuvo.
If it doesn’t exist on GOG, it doesn’t exist. Life is good.
Are there even any good games worth putting effort into that use Denuvo at this point?
Denuvo makes games bad, so no, there aren’t.
Anno 1800
the damn yakuza series is amazing but sega has such a hard on for denuvo
The Steam release of Persona 5 Royal, unfortunately. Which is kind of insane, it’s a single-player game.
There’s some others that I can’t personally attest to, but that sure look good from what I’ve seen. Monster Hunter: Wilds, for example. And the new Doom from a few days ago, if you’re into that sorta thing. Metaphor Re-Fantasio. The new Prince of Persia from last year. Hi-Fi Rush. Rocksmith, of all things.
Just ignore all games that have Denuvo. It’s actually working I don’t see much good games with denuvo lately.
It’s s actually working
You should keep following your principles, but that’s not the reason it’s working. The amount of gamers that even know about Denuvo is tiny, and those who care enough to not buy a game because of that is an even smaller fraction of that small number.
The reason is simply because Denuvo is expensive and a recurring cost. Once a developer removes it, they no longer need to pay for it.
Lmao imagine paying a monthly fee for software that ruins the game you made… Wtf
I don’t think that’s true about denuvo specifically. I’ve known some pretty big “normies” for lack of a better term that knoe denuvo makes games run worse.
Basically the only games I want to play that have Denuvo currently are a handful of games published by ATLUS like Persona 5 the Royal and Metaphor: Refantazio.
I actually bought Metaphor, not realizing it had Denuvo, and then was just randomly unable to launch the game. After fiddling with some proton settings and reopening the game I got a very generic error message with a link to a website that told me I was locked out of the game for 24 hours.
I wound up returning the game.
It’s a shame when amazing games like ATLUS’s stuff are kneecapped by shithead corpos.
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CAD$90
Base or premium?
Base
Ouch
That’s before sales tax as well (5%-15% province-dependent)
From what i’ve heard the game crashes a lot
Can confirm, I gave up after my fifth crash in two hours. So much for Doom being a landmark PC series…
Yeah i’m not a doom player myself but i was surprised about it having so many problems as well, cause generally speaking i always heard people praise their pc ports for being extremely well optimized.
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It’s always the paying customers, who get absolutely shafted. Wouldn’t be any other way, in modern society
Same with modern streaming services, you get awful resolutions on linux without them even telling you when you are a paying customer.
But the pirates get the full quality version no issue.
Pirates never had Sony install a rootkit on their computer. Paying customers did, though.
Pirate here, can confirm.
Playing the new God of War was great on Linux, though.
Remember kids, complain to the publisher and developer. They are the ones paying for Denuvo and you are the ones paying for the game.
If you are paying for a game with Denuvo then you are paying for Denuvo. Don’t buy games with invasive software in them you don’t want invasive software 🤷♀️ Sure, complain to the developer and the publisher, but you give them the money to waste on Denuvo if you buy the game
Do both. Don’t buy it and tell the publisher you’ll buy it when they remove denuvo.
This sounds like a challenge almost. Why is this behaviour not flooding their support and legal team?
This game frankly sucks anyways. I played it for 2 hours and refunded it. Awful performance and incoherent as fuck gameplay.
Performance hit might be due to Denuvo too. I think it was the Harry Potter game that was terrible with Denuvo, but the cracked version run like a breeze
Possibly though I think it is probably mostly the boneheaded decision to force RT.
One more reason why I don’t see Proton as a replacement for official native support. Things can and will break, and they’ll say it’s not their problem because they only support Windows.
That’s fair.
From my POV, Denuvo isn’t my problem because they don’t support Linux.
So if I never buy a game with Denuvo, I guess I’m good and I’ll be one more lost customer. Oh well for me, oh well for them.
I don’t really see myself as missing anything from modern AAA gaming, so no loss, here.
