Oh I think I know how this will end.

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    The history on this is interesting

    Trump banned bump stocks as a reaction to the Vegas massacre.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-issues-rule-banning-bump-stocks-year/story?id=59884493

    Then the supreme court ruled that unconstitutional.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/g-s1-2929/supreme-court-bump-stocks

    Now the trump admin is going to permit more things like the bump stock to be sold legally. Specifically, something that makes a semi automatic gun fire much more rapidly.

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        This really wouldn’t make a difference. It isn’t hard to bend a coat hanger or drill a third hole.

        Also, FRTs and bump stocks are really just range toys.

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      Sandy Hook 2 Electric Boogaloo. I can feel nothing but sorrow for the children of america’s education system. Forget not Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, Parkland, Texas Tower, Red Lake, or Santa Fe.

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    “We were going to win this,” said the former senior ATF official. “These things are not like bump stocks."

    Forced reset devices are actually exactly like bump stocks in that they’re legal because they force a distinct action of the trigger for every round fired. The legal definition of a machine gun is a firearm that fires more than one round per single action of the trigger. They haven’t bothered to amend or expand that definition, so these types of devices keep skirting by on a technicality.

    I suppose the argument could be made that forced reset devices work in a very similar way to a machine gun’s auto sear, the difference being that they act on the trigger of the gun rather than the hammer, but it still doesn’t meet the government’s own definition of a machine gun.

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      That’s a select fire switch which is a little different.

      What this is about are Hellfire Triggers which are impossible to control. If you know what one looks like, you can make it yourself.

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      Well, they literally have a force feedback loop of propaganda aimed at themselves 24/7.

      They think they own all 500 million guns in the US and they are all John J Rambo

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    I get gun enthusiasm. Like, as a hobby. Those folks that hang out at the range are as nerdy as the folks that hang out at the model airplane club. This isn’t for them. This is for the baddies. It’s strange considering that Trump had a close attempt on his life involving a gun with iron sights. You would think he would want to be the last person involved in approving more effective people killers.

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    7 months ago

    Thank goodness, now I can defend my home against tyranny and people who look different than me with a pseudo-machine gun, just the way the Founding Fathers intended! (/s just in case)

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    Full auto weapons should be legal. Only idiots think full auto weapons are more dangerous. If someone is going to try using full auto during a crime all that will happen is the weapon will pull to the side and expend all it’s ammo in a few seconds. There is a reason why the military changed to semi auto/burst rifles as the standard.

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      Hey cool, the magazine will be empty before people can get to safety!

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        The mag will be empty and there is no way possible that they hit anything that was being shot at. People that think fully auto weapons are easy to fire have never even seen one fired in real life. After 2-3 rounds it is already pulling to the side. They are not just inaccurate, they are impossible to shoot accurately.

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          Your argument only really holds water against a single target. Go full auto in a stadium and let the recoil take you to the top rows. Accuracy won’t matter

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            Go full auto in a stadium and it will pull up and you will shoot the ceiling, or it will pull down and you will shoot the ground and maybe your leg. You might get lucky and it will lurch to the right, you will either fight it to get it back to the center or let it spin you like a top. By the time you have fought the autofire back to center it will have chosen a new direction to pull … good luck. You will do this 2-3 times and then the clip will be empty.

            Life is not a movie or videogame. Autofire really sucks ass unless you are an absolute pro at it and have a great deal of practice. Those who would put in that much practice with auto fire would be smart enough to realize that 3 shot bursts are way more accurate and waste far less ammo.

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    7 months ago

    Maybe if the ATF wasn’t so terrible and sloppy and did things that made sense and did things legally we could have some sensible gun laws.

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      You’re catching strays but your 100% right. The ATF is extremely ineffective, and are an actual road block in getting meaningful shit done! They like being unsupervised and shooting people’s dogs, like any other cop.

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          Kinda what I meant. I’m a big gun lover, but also believe we need better rules. I actually walked into an Atwoods in Arkansas a few weeks ago, and an elderly farmer type was asking the gun counter what he needed to do to sell his gun to a friend. The clerk correctly told him “nothing” and the old farmer type guy responded “That don’t seem right.” So there are many more of us, even if some aren’t terminally online.

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      It’s not up to the ATF to make laws; congress is supposed to do that.

      Also, “sensible” gun control is functionally no different from “sensible” abortion restrictions. If you want to fix gun violence, fix the problems that lead up to it. If you want to stop abortions, it’s easier to teach factual sexual health and make sure that everyone has free access to birth control.