In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/
In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/
In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.
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Or maybe it’s just the type of people who are drawn to this violent record are being terrible dog owners.
The first linked thread was just one user getting pissy in the comments.
The second thread was flamebait, plain and simple. Has no business being in Lemmy Be Wholesome. On Shitpost I could give it a pass, maybe.
It’s already too late, but I would suggest in this case not using this thread as an extension to continue back and forth the argument highlighted in this drama.
There’s two types of people: those who hate pitbulls, and those who’s pitbull hasn’t mauled someone yet.
Says the guy who probably tortures animals.
That’s the argument. On one side it’s “Here’s a heap of statistics, and testimonials from Vets about how this breed was bred for fighting and is extremely dangerous to humans” and on the other side:
“Says the guy who probably tortures animals”.
So, of course it’s nasty. People who have actually been attacked by pitbulls, mauled and disabled by them, are fighting fucking morons. Really, really stupid people that care more about dogs than humans.
Let’s try arguing fair then. I’ll start with one fact. There is no such breed as a pit bull. Now you go 😉.
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According to who the United Kennel club and the American Breeders association all recognize the breed. The American Kennel association does not. Or is it because the full name is not being used sorry the American Pit Bull Terrier.
I always look at these posts of people writing about pit bulls out of a place of fear. And just shake my head. But the post I replied to talked about logic, and research. So let’s logic.
Top Google search,Wikipedia "Pit bull is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers.
“Pit bulls” are the most abundant dogs in the United states. The most common mutt is called a “Pit Bull”. Everyone who is afraid of dogs these days think Pit Bulls. I remember when it used to be German Shepards. People afraid of dogs would say German Shepards are evil dogs bred to hunt people.
Don’t be ruled by fear. Dogs are dogs. They are domesticated carnivores, and unknown dogs need to be treated with caution. You never know if they’ve been abused or have behavioral issues.
Ok, then the pit bull type dogs should be banned since their attacks are more vicious than any other type of dog.
Well ok lol. Then my argument is, I disagree with you, I don’t even know if you understand what a logical argument is.
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My stance is on this is simple. Why don’t people just move on when they see a pitbull instead of feeling the need to copy paste statistics about them.
I doubt they would walk up to someone waking their pitbull and read out their copy pastas lol.
I’m a strong proponent that it’s the owner, not the dog that is ultimately the reason pitty’s get a bad rap. I’ve rarely come across a pit bull that isn’t a big lovable goofball that just wants belly rubs and to play tug. But the one’s that haven’t been seem to have irresponsible owners that either don’t know, or don’t care about how to properly train their dog.
That said, it’s hard not to look at the data and agree that a breed ban would be best.
Don’t people say the same thing about guns?
You can’t train a gun.
But guns aren’t naturally predisposed to attack people either
Wanna go around deciding who should have them and who shouldn’t? We can’t keep criminals out of public office or innocent people out of prison. YOU figure out how to judge people where everyone else has failed. Until then, let everyone keep their claws.
They’re dogs, not people.
Guns. Pay attention.
The statistics about 90% dog attacks being pitbulls is because cops can call any dog a pitbull.
Pit bull is a large category which many, completely unrelated breeds can be classified as too. Entirely different genetics, from entirely different regions, with entirely different temperaments.
Sure, if a person lumps together any dog that kinda looks like it belongs in the bully classification, you’ll get pretty high statistics. Especially when you compare against singular breeds like a rottweiler.
If you look at the graphic (which states 67% not 90) “pitbull” makes up atleast 8 breeds, though like many others I’ve read my assumption is that they’re still classifying many breeds as a singular breed.
You need to look at per-capita data by the way, even if you didn’t need to separate the breeds. With simply this data, there could simply be more pitbulls in existance than other breeds.
My theory: pitbull hate is just a thinly veiled dog whistle (lol pun) for racism. The majority of pit owners are POC and the vitriol people have for those dogs is eeriely similar to what you see in hate speech. Like German Shepherds are literally bred specifically for cops to bite people professionally but you never hear anyone bitch about them, because they’re associated more with authority and White America…
Here I can speak from experience. I was mauled by a dog when I was a kid. It had shitty owners that left him chained up all day no matter the weather. The breed? GSD. Not that it matters at all.
I love all dogs, not some owners.
Let me guess, pitbulls? Racists have been using them as a dogwhistle for awhile now.
I’d just like to see a sensible discussion that doesn’t involve the falsified statistics presented by the Dogsbite blog and its offshoots.
The so-called academic behind their “statistics” was outed for multiple frauds, the blogs are all set up by shadowy anonymous individuals with opaque funding.
It’s all just so janky, like there’s a big movement intent on muddying the water of actual useful conversation.
Large terriers are undoubtedly a potential problem in the hands of inexperienced or irresponsible owners, but to over simplify the argument to “pitbull dogs bad” is irresponsible.
Any dog over ~15kg can do great harm, and when you take into account the breed traits of terriers, it’s easy to understand the importance of proper debate.
But the crusaders need to be ranked out in favour of proper discussion.
Those posts, holy fuck Fediverse, be better…
Somehow you posting a picture of your dogs in a wholesome sub REQUIRES them to comment something shitty when they could, idk, mind their own fucking business?
It wasn’t a neutral post though was it? The title is “In retaliation to the Pit bull haters,”. That’s not a “wholesome” post to begin with, and if you call someone out, don’t be surprised when they answer back
My point being that people were acting as if they were legally compelled to respond when they could have simply moved on and not gotten involved.
OP was there to start shit. It wasn’t “just posting” pics of dogs. It was literally “pitbulls are a great dog that is 100% safe fuck the haters”.
The person posting the picture explicitly said in their post they were doing so “in response to pit bull haters”. They were already stirring up shit.
These things need to be absolutely destroyed. There’s no good reason to own one.
