cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/30792652
Support for Windows 10 ends on October 14, 2025. Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer. But what if you could make your current one fast and secure again?
If you bought your computer after 2010, there’s most likely no reason to throw it out. By just installing an up-to-date Linux operating system you can keep using it for years to come.
Installing an operating system may sound difficult, but you don’t have to do it alone. With any luck, there are people in your area ready to help!
5 Reasons to upgrade your old computer to Linux:
- No New Hardware, No Licensing Costs
- Enhanced Privacy
- Good For The Planet
- Community & Professional Support
- Better User Control
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im not a big fan of linux, mainly cause of multiplayer game and photoshop compatibility, but i would honestly would help out some old folks with a linuxmint install or a free ltsc for few bucks. any way to get on this list?
I’m stuck with Windows for the same reasons. I do use Linux on my laptop though and would not be opposed to switching my office machine to it as well if I can get the company I work for to make a few key software changes. I’ve had older generations of my family running Linux Mint for nearly a decade. They don’t know the difference because it’s all they’ve ever used. I have less phone calls about problem from these people than any Windows users I’ve had to deal with.
What does it mean in practice for windows 10 to reach end of life? There are no more security updates? My vm will stop working? They are preventing you from using your computer?
No more security updates, so it will gradually become unsafe to use online.
I kept my Win7 install until like 2023 and it wasn’t security that drove me away but a huge amount of software no longer working on it.
I still think they’re going to push the date back.
10 still has over 50% market share (source)
You don’t need to buy a new computer. You just need to upgrade your old computer.
To Linux.
Which then makes it run like a new computer. So Linux basically gives you a free new computer.
The other nice thing about Linux is that there are several Live versions you can try out on your computer without making any changes to your Windows installation.
This also lets you see if check and see if Linux fully supports your hardware (just in case you have a weird network or audio card). If the Live version of Linux works, the installed version will, as well.
Most installers let you set up a dual boot on the same hard drive, too.
I love this. I recently set up a “Linux flight” with various distros on a bunch of thumb drives to test drive the latest. I decided to stay Kubuntu but it made experimenting so quick and easy.
I have some friends and family that cant upgrade from Windows 10, so I’m going to keep the flight and walk them through trying out some personally selected distros.
Using Steam, Heroic, and Bottles you can even run Windows software almost perfectly, too. There’s never been a better time for regular folks to make the switch.
Even if your audio or WiFi card doesn’t work automatically in the live environment, that doesn’t necessarily mean that you are out of luck either. My WiFi card manufacturer doesn’t support Linux (Last thing I buy from them), but I was able to find a driver that was built by the community for a very similar product that works flawlessly.
This may be more complex than some people are willing/able to solve, just wanted to put that out there for people who can so they aren’t discouraged by a bad experience with a live distro.
Excel is the most important tool I need for my work. :/
LibreOffice has LibreCalc. It’s free and there’s a Windows version you can try.
did you try running excel on wine?
I have not and I’ve heard it works, but it seems to defeat the purpose of switching. :(
Look, what everyone is saying here, including me, are suggestions. Feel free to listen to some people and not some people.
it doesn’t.
you’re free from Windows and you can still use Excel which is necessary for your work.
IIRC there is browser support for excel
Yeah but it sucks and has nowhere near the same level of festurs
There is web support, but it lacks most actually useful functions. Libreoffice is great, but is not 1:1 compatible with excel. Then there’s Onlyoffice, which is very compatible, but also lacks many functions.
Bottom line is, if you’re an excel power user, you’ll need to learn Libreoffice Calc, or you’re out of luck. If not, Onlyoffice should suffice.
I believe OnlyOffice may be problematic from an ethical perspective if I remember correctly because of Russia or something. But it’s FOSS, has a linux desktop version, and its compatibility with Excel has been absolutely rock solid for me.
As you said, it’s FOSS, so why would its country of origin cause ethical problems?
I don’t know much about OpenOffice, but virtually all open source apps are developed by specific individuals who ask for donations or get paid for enterprise use. If you just download and use the app quietly, there’s probably no problem, however, if you talk about it to anyone, you’re promoting it and that may lead to others donating, generating more visibility, leading to more contracts, and so on.
if you’re an excel power user, you’ll need to learn Libreoffice Calc
Let’s be honest…most people who are Excel power users probably need to interact with other users. Sending and receiving documents and templates, etc. Simply learning Calc yourself isn’t going to suffice, you’d have to convince your entire business to switch.
Your logic is spot on, and it does apply to most power users, but not to all.
Everyone has a different use case and experience, I think we speak based on our own experiences.
It’s pretty bad at anything with large amounts of both data and formulas.
As an example, if you try to make a spreadsheet for managing resources of any basic Colony Sim game (something with a list of items and recipes to turn them into other items and keep track of quantities), then you’re already beyond the computing capacity of the browser based excel.
To be fair, if you’re using large amounts of data and formulas as a power user, you should probably be instead writing some python or something to handle CSVs.
As for your particular example, LibreCalc would work just fine.
Yes, but it’s considerably slower and extremely frustrating to use for a power user.
Not FOSS but maybe this might work for you: https://www.freeoffice.com/en/
Interesting! Thanks.
No problem! FOSS alternatives are really good as an office suite on their own but when it comes to Excel, things might go tricky. I hope they’re as compatible as they claim.
I’m seriously considering trying to become a contributor.
Well, they appreciate any kind of contributions. Thanks for considering this.
Or run it on Win10 VM. I don’t think MS will drop support for Office apps on Win10 for some time at least.
Definitely another option.
It’ll probably work for a good decade or two before it goes out of date. They still need to support the enterprise LTS version, which I think includes excel.
LibreOffice?
LibreOffice is good as a standalone software, if you’re not looking for MS Office compability. I use LibreOffice, and my sister suddenly ask me to help edit their MS Office document. It was nightmare. There are a lot of hidden gotchas that rarely reported. It’s absolutely not recommended to constantly changing software if you’re editing your document.
Also, at the moment, Excel has more advance feature than LibreOffice Calc.
Had the same idea last month. Feels great to get away from MS and to learn about Linux, re-igniting my interest in computers after years or just double clicking everything with no understanding of what processes are going on behind the scenes.
Hmm Windows 10 LTSC and IOT will still be supported until 2027.
Debian Trixie, now is the time to shine, release soon please.
You can already switch to it though. Why wait?
Maybe he made a typo and meant Debian 13
Yeah, Trixie is Debian 13, that said, Debian 12 is perfectly capable, and Arch is already better on a Gaming PC anyway.
Arch is already better on a Gaming PC anyway.
I may agree because it’s easy to get gaming packages on Arch(i use a arch based distro cachyos with chaotic aur repos)
Not that I’m against doing this, but just so people are aware, running LTSC or IoT is essentially a violation of EULA unless your license of Windows is Enterprise or Education. Home and Pro aren’t valid for this. Yes, there are activation scripts available online, but personally, if Microsoft doesn’t want me to run Windows, it’s their loss, not mine.
Is there some easy way to find devices that don’t support win 11 on ebay? Hoping for cheap laptops for surfing.
sort by cpu model or filter by no os. windows has a list of unsupported cpu models, but the vast majority of stuff getting dumped on eBay is corporate salvage. an older Thinkpad or used G3 workstation is (65 - 80$). 20$ SSD and you should be good to go. if you’re in a pinch for cash, an old monitor and thin client can be under 60$, m+k under 10$.
Well, my niece and nephew do need a minecraft machine… 🤔
Alright, what do people like for gaming? And can I play helldivers on it?
For gaming you can just use steam. You can see which game works and the corresponding distributions/configurations on ProtonDB; Helldivers 2 get’s a GOLD status (https://www.protondb.com/app/553850).
I already shifted to Linux Zorin OS. It’s the best option for ex-Windows users like me. Sleek and modern with low learning curve.
If anyone is interested to try out Linux distros, you can do it in your web browser at https://distrosea.com/
I am so ready to abandon Windows on my laptop. The only software I need that doesn’t run on Linux or have an equivalent Linux option is Serato DJ Pro. Literally the only thing keeping Windows in the house.
I’m stuck on Fusion 360. So annoying to have that one doorstop from freedom.
Why 2010, is it cause of 64bit processors?
I assume it was a generalization, just few weeks ago I installed 32-bit Linux Mint to two laptops from 2007 or 2008, now my kids have their very own and fully functional computers. They do lag a bit sometimes, but learning patience is just good for the kids.
I believe it’s TMP 2.0 support
The only thing keeping me on Windows is Teamcraft for FFXIV. It has packet capturing on Windows, but not on Linux because of the way they’re doing packet capturing. There have been people who claim to get it working, but it’s still not 100%. I could even use plugins to get ACT (DPS meter) working, but sadly no plugins for Teamcraft…
use wine or proton
I worked on this myself: there’s no way to get it working no matter what anyone says they managed to get working
You can force team craft to run on the same wine prefix (XIV launcher makes that ezpz) and everything fancy related to that and it just doesn’t work
VM+GPU pass through
The game uses wine, but the packet capturing just doesn’t work.
What do you use it for?
My main game: final fantasy XIV. It takes packets so I don’t have to put in the items I have each time when I want to craft and lets me know what inventory they’re in.
Don’t let this hold you back.
Legitimately it’s this and COD that keep Win10 LTSC on one of my drives it’s that useful for the game
That’s interesting because pcapping is definitely not some windows exclusive feature, and the means are pretty transferable. I wonder what the hold up is.
Yea, that’s very weird. It’s open source so anyone could make changes to it, but still.
