I mean… Who fucking cares?
The people who are too stupid or incompetent to fact check basic things.
Those without critical thinking skills
It kind of affects all of us if people (barely) are manipulating the feeds in broad daylight.
Ml, hex… what’s the third suppose to be?
Lemmygrad
Oh, it’s been so long since the last time I saw something from that instance that I totally forgot them
Thanks
I highly recommend. russia is a state of insane.
I thought that was a nickname for .ml
It is just defederated everywhere, so most don’t see their posts anymore.
It sort of is, I think the same people run it, but its also a seperate domain where they take the masks off.
No, it’s just new instances to easily create accounts in (why would those three be new when they’re literally older than .world?)
Is it to like muddy the waters? I can make 500 accounts on my instance if I wanted to?
I’m new here and still grasping the way the fediverse works.
Is this basically saying 3 user accounts were made for the mass downvoting or what’s happening?
What do people said, but since you’re new, here’s a recap post on what the whole Tankie situation is about (if you didn’t encounter them on Reddit lol
That “recap post” from you looks alot more like you attacking tankies than vice versa.
Collects and documents a (long) list of evidence of their harmful pro-Russia/pro-NK/pro-CCP propaganda pushing and censorship
You: WhY arE yOU atTacKiNg ThE pOoR TaNKies
Servers, not users. Though each server would have users.
Although I don’t think they’re bots like the post is implying. OP just spends a lot of time annoying them.
Little bit more.
Someone made 3 servers, then a bunch of accounts on those servers, then used all of those accounts to downvote.
Allegedly because I ain’t got the time to manually verify that myself.
Thanks for the elaborating.
Allegedly because I ain’t got the time to manually verify that myself.
Crucial footnote.
Instances are more like servers or domains. Your instance is lemmy.world. We can see votes from individual users because votes federate across instances, (like if you, on lemmy.world, were to vote on my instance, lemmy.dbzer0).
In order for that federation to happen, the votes must be public. This prevents a rogue instance from just lying and telling other instances “yeah all my shit is super upvoted” and pushing itself to the top, or inversely pushing others down by spoofing downvotes. It also allows instances to properly block banned users; If I’m banned from a community/instance, my individual votes shouldn’t count towards it. So anyone with the know-how can inspect which individual users have voted on posts, and how they have voted.
Someone spun up three entire instances and mass created dozens of accounts on each, just to mass downvote. It’s just blatant vote manipulation, and is why the admin stepped in to defederate (stop sending info back and forth) from the rogue instances.
You see stuff like that occasionally from the “tankie triad” instances, (lemmy.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmygrad) but they’re usually more subtle about it to avoid instantly getting defederated.
We can see votes from individual users because votes to federate across instances, (like if you, on lemmy.world, were to vote on my instance, lemmy.dbzer0). Someone spun up three entire instances and mass created dozens of accounts on each, just to mass downvote.
So where can we see this?
I’ve just had .ml blocked for a long time and life’s been good. I would prefer defederation. If put democratically, I’m sure that’s what would be voted for as well.
Yeah me too. There’s very little value to justify keeping them in my feeds. As soon as there is a decent alternative to lemmy I’m leaving.
Well all of them shut down yesterday AND one of them, started a new instance in its place. already defederated, but curious…
Hey you’re that person who steals crow pictures aren’t you?
Lmao all crossposted OC content from .ml comms is properly attributed to the Author/Photographer/Artist/User
New profile pic lmao
It actually is you madlad.
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Nice jackdaw!
I’m not getting into this no sir.
Awww…
I hate to ask, but can someone help me understand what .ml is doing differently? And what’s a tankie? Genuinely asking
Here’s a recap post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
Thanks! (Tanks?)
Edit: I was wrong below and am corrected in replies to this comment.
The moniker Tankie is a reference to the Tiananmen Square Massacre because of their minimalizing or outright denials regarding the incident.No, it was coined for those who supported the soviet invasions of Hungary and czechoslovakia in 1956 and 1968.
It predates that, actually. Goes back to the USSR sending tanks into Eastern Europe to put down rebellion.
Yep, the Prague spring.
Anywhere on Lemmy
Man, I’m bored, guess I’ll fuck with tankies.
clears throat
Ukraine didn’t start the war.
Yesterday was tianmen square day, what do you think about Tianmen square?
(Yughurs are also a nice litmus test)
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml @yogthos@lemmy.ml china is an authoritarian dictatorship, a surveillance state with no private life whatsoever. china is not communist, and attempts at free speech is punished
let the downvotes pour!
I have been banned from .ml twice for stating that Russia shot down a civilian aircraft over Ukraine.
China is a dictatorship.
Vodka is a Ukrainian spirit
Which works better? Russophobia or sinophobia? Do you just got full USA nationalist/imperialist or what? It looks like most people here are more into the sinophobia.
Those tankies gonna be so mad! lmao!!! \s
oh so you just hate Russians and Chinese, eh!?
Nope, the US is a police state that funds genocide. You’re either against all of the tyranny or none of it, and none of the three are getting any excuse from me.
Fuck Russia, China, Israel and America, and if anyone else wants to flash some fasc, fuck them too.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml @yogthos@lemmy.ml china is an authoritarian dictatorship, a surveillance state with no private life whatsoever. china is not communist, and any attempts at free speech are punished
let the downvotes pour!
FR Fuck Tankies lol
I even get downvotes on stuff like “racism is bad”.
No you don’t lmao. Stop lying.
I’d say about 70% of my comments have exactly 1 or 2 downvotes. Just the other day I said “lmao, nice” on a post about the IRS open-sourcing tax software and it got a downvote.
Just the other day I said “lmao, nice” on a post about the IRS open-sourcing tax software and it got a downvote.
Not a tankie, but maybe people just downvote that kind of low effort spam.
You’re a prolific poster. It’s possible they just recognize your username and vote based on their opinion of you alone, without reading each post.
He steals half of it from the instances he hates.
That’s likely what’s at work with these things. I even got a few chronic haters that downvote just about everything I write, even when it’s calling out racism. They’ll downvote criticism of Nazis in the effort, even.
Yea no, he’s not. Anybody who starts becoming a thorn in the side of Lemmy tankies starts having perfectly innocuous posts and comments getting downvoted
You’re literally on a post about Tankies making three whole instances full of fake users to mass downvote me because I speak out and collect evidence against them
And there are so many others before me with similar stories.
Everytime I checked downvotes on anyone’s posts, they came from .world. And the instances referenced were here before .world, since the admins are the ones who, checks notes, created Lemmy.
LMAO, if you’re going to be a Tankie/Tankie apologist at least pay attention. The meme isn’t about the Tankie Triad, it’s about 3 just a few days old instances. Which you would know if you’d bother to follow the context link and put in some effort.
I’ve seen admins claim a handful of users/ipaddresses are responsible for 90% of all downvotes and it was not World.
Although, World is a very active and popular instance for being vanilla but also defederating from Hex and Grad.
admins claim
You’re literally on a post about Tankies making three whole instances full of fake users to mass downvote me because I speak out and collect evidence against them
Maybe the tankies aren’t the problem?
LMAO, yea sure buddy. Even though they were doing something from the top 5 shit things you could do to the Lemmy-verse, they’re “not the problem” lolol
you should say “racism bad” and see how many people ironically downvote for the lolz
Yeah the last decade has been pretty good evidence that people pretending to be CHUDs online are CHUDs IRL
I’m banned from 1 of 3…
… so far.
Try harder, bud.
Rookie numbers.
mass downvotes mean so little on a site where posts get at most 13 comments
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Uh, are you serious? Why? What did you even say?
They are a famous fighter against the tankie triad, check the posts in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Thanks!
Hmmm prob a combination of:
- My calls for defederation of .ml
- My calls for boycotting of .ml comms
- My cross-posting of content from .ml comms to non-.ml comms to reduce their influence
- My constant collection of evidence of the .ml admins, mods and Tankie users
.world isn’t defederated from .ml? I thought it was, for some reason… Well, it is the admin instance so, I guess.
I wish lol, yea world did defederate with the rest of the triad, but .ml is generally left because
Its the dev instance and they run official Lemmy dev/support comms from there, they still have a few big comms and some of the only niche comms (both issues I aim to address through cross-posting) and they “keep the mask on” more and keep things subtle to avoid larger defed movements
Unfortunately, I’m getting to the point where I suspect a fork or alternate compatible platform may be needed (rather than just nice to have).
Generally it’s because they have their hatred of .ml as the driving force of half their free time. It’s weird and off-putting.
Good thing I’m not trying to put you on.
Not sure about half their free time, but it does seem that anti-.ml sentiment is the reason, yes.
you know what’s off-putting? lemmy.ml
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They should know better, you obviously have a good keyboard and lots of free time. I wouldn’t mess with you and I’ve been boxing for 20 years.
Lol you shouldn’t pick online fights with people who WFH in IT 😂
Man never give that up. I left a WFH job in IT that I wasn’t really happy with, but it was fine. Left to a company where everything was better on paper. Now I work 50 hour weeks on average as salary, and don’t have time to even use my benefits that actively are better.
Never give it up. Neverrrrrrrr.
You could just leave and find another job again?
I’m looking for a job in a different industry entirely!
Maybe look inti teaching programming. It doesn’t pay as much, but it’s very rewarding. Doesn’t have to be with a university or something. For example, I teach springboot at a private institute. We have bootcamps, but also full, accreditted bachelors. I get to talk about talk about programming a lot, share my knowledge, expand my knowledge, give fun extracurricular talks every once in a while, write new coursework, write fun exercises. Maybe there’s something like that near you
You programming guys are way smarter than me. Tech writing wouldn’t be a bad pivot, but I’m a little worried companies will think genAI will do that work just as well as a writer. I’m actually looking at a pivot to HR, since I like the kind of people focused work and market research stuff they do.
I appreciate your thoughtfulness though. It’s very kind of you to take time out and try to assist a stranger. 🙂
I just checked your post history, it’s crazy how your posts are getting mass downvoted. Keep up the good work my man!
I mean, this person is on a personal quest to get everyone to block .ml , I can understand why they might be a bit agitated. Tankies aren’t known for their patience and open mindedness.
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