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HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR COMFORT IN YOUR ONLY ONE LIFE???!!
Yeah its shocking we are not incredibly grateful isnt it.
“Nobody wants to work”… :)
I care about what work I do. I tend to ask about the project at the end of the technical round.
The HR is not going to hear about that.I am not interested in the company’s history, their mission/vision and other propaganda.
All I need to know about the company is, if they will actually pay me on time for the work I have done and that they are not going-under and defaulting on payments.
And since I do care about the work that I do, it matters to me, what will become of the project after the company gets the worth out of it.
And that is where all big-names fail miserably.You are selling a smartphone/ laptop/ a cloud connected camera/ any product that uses multiple components with their own use?
At the end of support period, you are to openly distribute the documentation for all components.
That way, a camera out of an old smartphone/laptop won’t require reverse engineering to be reused with a Pi or sth.
A monitor screen out of a laptop can be used as another monitor, without having to buy another controller from a shady site (yeah, I call AliExpress, a shady site) and the existing eDP controller can be reused, without requiring an Oscilloscope.
When your web-service goes down, the user can make their own interfacer and use the camera on their personal cloud.Regarding the payment info is why we need to have companies be more transparent all over the world. In NL it is already mandatory for companies to post some form of an annual report (sometimes very basic) and you can buy them for like 8 euro’s or something. That way you can check those and see if how the company is doing in broad lines. If you notice that on their last annual report there iare red flags you can ask about that in your interview or just straith up deny working there since there is a risk they will miss payments.
In NL it is already mandatory for companies to post some form of an annual report (sometimes very basic) and you can buy them for like 8 euro’s or something
Same in IN, except that the “purchase” seems to be free over here.
Yeah idk why you need to purchase them, but whatever
Yeah I’m not asking questions about the technical stuff I’m actually interested in to an HR drone
The answer to “What about us resonated with you?” would be:
“The job description you put up.”
Uno beeeoootttttchhhh. You know, everything’s consolidating. There are very few mid-sized companies anymore. It’s funny seeing the managerial class dig their own grave. Everybody thinks everybody’s gonna leave everyone with the bag. Justice is always served. Don’t have kids.
Individually those are recognizable opinions but I don’t see how they all flow together
What about us resonated with you?
Your offer to pay me.
I couldn’t give less of a fuck about any company or their “projects”, selling a product is not a mission to empower users and help the world or some bullshit like that.
If HR isn’t asking candidates about themselves as a person, or is only asking generic “Tell me about yourself” kinds of questions, then **they are doing it wrong. **
On the other side if a candidate doesn’t have any questions about their future work environment, not just the role they applied for, then they too are doing it wrong. A candidate should care about whether they would fit into an environment / culture.
At its core employment is a relationship and both sides should treat it that way.
Not in HR, but am involved in the hiring process. We are not allowed to ask personal questions. Cant talk about family or personal background. If i ask a question about someones family and they tell me they have 5 kids, and they dont get the job because we found a better candidate, they have a clear and obvious path to file a discrimination case.
“I didnt get hired because they knew i had 5 kids and they assumed I wouldn’t be able to dedicate time to the company yada yada.”
" i told them that my religion was xyz and they knew my religious holidays dont align with their holiday schedule and they didnt hire me because they didnt want to make new policy to allow me my time and give me my protected right to religion"
Its just easier to not
What is this for, absolute bullshit? You want to find somebody who fits in the team, that’s exactly why you want to get to know them during the hiring process. It’s the same BS as that people shouldn’t have pictures on their resume in the US. It’s not like you can see based on first name and lastname(s) or if they even have second,. third, fourth etc names where the person generally has roots in a lot of cases. If you want to discriminate you can based on name as well.
Edit: Companies shouldn’t discriminate, but not adding certain info to your resume or not asking certain questions isn’t going to help against discrmination.
Just to be clear, i didnt say it was to prevent discrimination, i said it was to prevent a credible discrimination lawsuit
My go to is “what do you do for fun?”. It accomplished the same goal of getting an idea of the candidate as a person without getting into personal/family life. Most people love to talk at length about their favorite shit if they think someone is interested in listening.
Just curious, but doesn’t this mean that this system is easy to bypass? Just because you don’t ask about their family doesn’t mean they are not going to share it. Just saying something like “enjoying the summer so far?” As a conversation starter could trigger a “oh yeah, spending it with my 5 kids” response.
And someone who already knows that a discrimination case could be made can just easily put his religion or family or whatever into whatever response they feel like even if it doesn’t make sense for the question.
It just seems easy too easy for someone to be able to do this just because they said something. Or does it only apply if you ask?
You gain an extra level of deniability if you dont ask. Also its about how its received by the interviewee. If i ask how your summers going and you offer up you have 5 kids, thats different than me asking if you have kids. If i bring up your family situation or kids, the natural question arises, “why would he care about that?” And it can guide the mind to discrimination. People are aware of the fact that having kids have a preception in the corporate world, and if they dont want that to influence the process, theyre not going to offer it up. But just like anything, if someone wants to file a frivolous law suit, theyre going to find a way
Sure, but most of the time you don’t have a lot of time to shop around for a job you like. You have to pay rent and “we didn’t vibe well” is not an acceptable reason to give your dependents when they ask why you didn’t take a job and are now being evicted.
That’s different. That’s when you go to a temp agency until you find something better.
In many cases there isn’t something better anywhere near where you live.
Yeah, some of the bandwagonny replies I’m seeing in this thread do not make their posters sound like someone you’d want to spend your working life sat next to.
You don’t have to show interest in the company to help the CEO get richer, but you should probably show an interest in the company because it’s where you’re going to be spending 1/3rd of your entire waking hours from now on, and you’re going to have a fucking miserable time of it if you’ve already decided to mentally check out before you’ve even got to the interview. Have some self-respect.
You can buy loyalty. Give someone a high paying 3-year contract and they’ll probably work to the end of it. But of course HR doesn’t want to hear that.
Shocked Pikachu
People will work FOR MONEY!??!
- every HR team ever.
Ours tried to explain to project leaders that employees are not mostly interested in their salary, but in praise. That went over well.
As someone who works for a living: praise is nice, but pay is required.
… Fuck you, pay me.
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There are more things you could ask about even if the job description is good, though.
As a software engineer I like to ask questions about the team dynamic. I’m not interested in working with a bunch of bros, so having some diversity in the team is good.
Very true. Good coworkers can make work a lot more bearable.
Looking a bit into the company’s business can help, too. If they do something vaguely interesting that can be a bonus. I ignored that once in favor of perks and that got me into the complete disaster area that is fintech. Don’t make the same mistake.
I dont know. Maybe ive been unlucky but “diversity” has meant a lot of people with very different personalities, which has meant that people dont become friends. Has it meant something different to you? Maybe for you its the other way, and you dont have anything incommon with the typical worker (whatever bro means in this context, maybe males and you are female?) , so you welcome more people like yourself.
Doesnt everyone actually want collegues that are as close to yourself in personality as possible so you feel you have common ground?
I’m a straight white dude who goes to work to do work, not to find someone to party with. The common ground is having the same job.
My current team has the following composition:
- Two straight white guys in their 40s, one of whom is an immigrant
- One gay white guy in his 30s
- One straight Indian guy in his 50s
- One straight Indian woman in her 20s
- One straight black guy in his 20s
We all get along just fine. Sometimes I learn something new about a different culture or lifestyle.
Not all aspects of diversity are equally important. I’ve been in teams before where everyone else was Argentinian. I’ve had teams where everyone else was Indian. I’ve had teams where we were all straight white dudes. They were all fine.
The most important part of diversity for me is a nice spread in experience level, which usually means a spread in age. I like training people who are more junior than me, but I also like someone more senior to learn from. Having someone more senior than me also prevents me from gliding into a role where I only train people or review their work, which I’m not personally interested in.
Asking questions about the team and the work is how one detects and avoid shitty environments.
He forgot the red flag emoji.
Jesus Christ, yes, I am a comfort hunter. You think I get up at the ass crack of dawn every day for fun? You think I want to push buttons on a computer all day because I’m just weirdly into it?
No! I do this shit because I have to!
Fucking hell. I’ve already accepted that I have to make your company money if I want to live in a house. For the love of all that is good in this world, PLEASE do not make me pretend to like it. I’m already weirded out that you’re so into it.
Making you pretend to like it is HR’s kink.
You clearly are not a “team player”. HR already has a plan for your life, all you have to do is follow their instructions and things are smooth.
Feeling unhappy? Deal with that outside of work, and make sure it dont affect your work.
If its one topic i really feel passionate about, its the entire anti-work thing. Because we are human beings. All of us work because we have to. And thats it.
Once I started burning companies the way they’ve burned me for years, employment got a lot better.
Fuck me? Nah, fuck you.
you won’t get a good referral!
bitch, they won’t call you anyway. I gave them my boss’s personal cell number(my cousin).
I’ve been asked for a referral twice in my life. Both times the person the referral was for still worked for me, so I got them to write it and just sent it on.
If somebody wants more money than we pay I won’t stand in their way. I also don’t care if you get a good employee or not. Shit, I’d write a complete dumb-ass a glowing referral if you’re a rival company.
Your cousin is Art Vandaly?
You’re married to your cousin? (/sarcasm, mostly)
I agree with the content of this post, but it seems like pure complaining rather than programmer humour, so I downvoted it for not suiting the community.
Mods, what are you doing letting this on here?
Let’s stop mincing words here.
You want me because I have a particular set of skills that you think will be helpful to you in your pursuit of profit.
I want your job because I can leverage the skills I have for money and benefits that will provide food, and shelter.
Your main concerns are profits.
My main concerns are survival.
Employment is where these things meet in the middle. Let’s not pretend that we’re here because we’re friends. We are not family. Fuck you, pay me.
Short version. My boss pays me enough so I don’t quit, and I work hard enough so he doesn’t fire me.
Unfortunately, many companies don’t care about PR anymore. In the past, some would try to appear “we are family” to retain employees. Now it is everyone for themselves.
some would try to appear “we are family” to retain employees
Nope. Rule of acquisition 111. They claim that everyone is part of a happy family because family is easiest to exploit.
I like reading the comments more than the post itself
Same. There’s so much here that’s just excellent.
I’ve never understood why the HR people always see “not asking questions about the company” or “not demonstrating knowledge about the company” as such a red flag.
People are looking for a job, not a cult to join.
You would understand if you understood the mindset of HR employees. To them, you are joining a life mission, not just a job. And they have a plan for your life so it fits the company objectives. Super great. Except no.
Researching the company used to be a thing you did when selecting a career/lifetime position.
… Since that doesn’t happen anymore, I couldn’t give any less of a shit about what your company is all about. I can do thing, you want to pay me to do thing. It’s as simple as that. All the rest of this crap, I just don’t have the time, effort or shits to give.
They want cultists though. Easier to exploit
Once I did an online interview process were they had a whole video and slideshow explaining about the company history and culture and the employees were saying about how it was a position for people who “truly believed in the mission of the company”.
And then they had a quiz about it.
They truly want a cult. Fuck em.I worked at Asus as a software developer for a while, had ti do a whole ass course on the history of the company. With unskippable videos and a questionnaire after as well. Pretty sure that took the better part of a day.
I only worked on the internal systems that really don’t have anything to do with the actual products Asus makes.
ASUS does seem to care more about their name than the quality of…
of anything they output
I mean, the whole “this is your second family” or “you should be proud of were you work” thing isn’t bad if they’re similarly dedicated to their employees welfare, for example “no questions asked sick days off” or maybe even more relevant in Tech, sizing the team to the work that need to be done in a project rather than expecting constant unpaid overwork from employees (rather than just once in a while).
The problem, as emphasized by the OP, is that they expect employees to invest themselves in the company without the company investing in employees.
There apparently are some companies out there which are almost like a second family, you know, the kind of place were they hear that your grandmother died and give you a week paid leave no questions asked to “deal with your loss”, but most aren’t at all like that - they treat employees as disposable cogs whilst expecting that the employees respond back by being dedicated to the company.
Not to mention, they could already be familiar with the company.
Yeah… I’m not gonna be asking the stuff I already found answers to via an internet search.
