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What? How was Mozilla ever in any kind of OS integrated way in bed with Google?
Google was just the default search engine in their browser. That’s it, and it’s dead easy to change the default search engine in Firefox.Why are you making a completely false equivalence, to make Mozilla look bad? Also Firefox is open source, so Mozilla even lets you use a fork, with all the functionality of Firefox with whatever you don’t like changed.
That’s what I was saying. Everyone gave Mozilla flack for their deal with Google, and here MS is doing it way, way worse. I actually don’t mind that Google was the default search engine in ff. It made it usable out of the box for the vast majority of users, and the minority had to click two button to change it. Seemples.
OK fair enough, but that’s not what it looked like to me when I read the headline.
I don’t use anything Microsoft, and I use only very few Google things for basic functionality of my phone.
To put it into perspective: if Leibniz was right and this is truely the best of all worlds, be happy that you don’t live in any of the other, more shittier timelines. Like the one where Apple sells monitor stands for $1000. Oh, wait…
I don’t really understand the issue here. Why does anyone care if you can sign into Google services on Edge?
It’s not the ability that’s bothersome (that part is fine, and has been there). It’s the fact that this is part of the first boot screen you see on Edge now, with dark patterns to get you to do it.
Oh sure, that makes sense. I never use Edge except when I’m testing a windows server VM.
I’m somewhat confused on the phrasing of this headline. “more OS integrated than Mozilla was?”. Is that meant to be more OS integrated than IE was? To my knowledge there’s some grey areas around mozilla’s actions recently, but I’ve never heard of them integrating into the OS.
But yeah I gotta agree on the core… If you don’t want want big tech spying on you… getting away from windows is necessary.
Google’s MS deal makes it more integrated into the Windows [OS], than Google was integrated into Mozilla’s FF browser. Odd phrasing, I’ll give you that lol
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What’s facebergs and Tim apples excuse then?
Racism intensifies
What am I missing, hasn’t this been around for like months and months now?
Came to 11 pro during last week’s updates.
This is literally the standard Google sync account stuff in every Chromium browser. Don’t want it? Pick a browser that isn’t Chrome based. That basically leaves Firefox or a handful of brand new alpha buggy browsers no one has heard of with dubious update potential.
With a Microsoft privacy statement, and only available in Edge as of last week?
It’s a screen made by Microsoft to match their aesthetic and settings pages, of course. But it’s the exact same Google account sync system that every Chromium has, unless you’re specifically using an unGoogled version.
True or not, I’m one email away from total freedom.
Just wonder about anti spam measures.
True or not, I’m one email away from total freedom.
uh can you expand on this?
I have 1 gmail, and their anti spam has usually been very effective, I have to find some other email with an effective anti spam before jumping the boat.
ah thank you for the expanded info. I’m in a similar situation and would like alternatives…
do you have another email like proton or just your Gmail
Yeah 1 proton which is very clean but I use it only for serious things, I need another one for all the “daily crap”.
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That’s exactly what I’m typing this on.
This isn’t cooperation, this is rivalry. The point is for you to use Edge instead of Chrome.
Just another skirmish in the war for what matters most: which tech-giant is the default choice.
I’m sure that’s an end goal here, but logging into a Google account through Edge, integrates it into the Windows OS. Sort of like (but not as intensely as) logging into a Microsoft account through Edge. So, while, yes, it’s end goal is through rivalry, the method is a partnership.
Edge is a Chromium browser. This is the standard Chrome sync stuff from nearly every one of those.
I’m not sure it’s a partnership. It looks and reads like the standard authorized data sharing setup. Anyone can configure that. It uses an open protocol that’s standardized, let’s users control the information shared with explicit consent and is basically what you want out of any entity that holds all your crap. The only thing it’s really lacking is a standard protocol for sharing the actual data.
Linux distributions have it.
Microsoft using Google’s public documented API is a long way from a partnership.
You log into your Google account so Microsoft can take your browser data into Edge, especially the bookmarks and passwords parts so that you automatically sign in to your favourite websites, when in Edge. Microsoft also offers to copy data from your Chrome profile (on your computer, do not signing in to Google) on a periodic interval, so that any new data that comes in Chrome (bookmarks etc.) shows up in Edge. The whole deal is that Microsoft copies your Chrome experience into Edge so you won’t notice that Microsoft in a random update changed your default browser to Edge again. Google don’t want this as it’s only Microsoft that stands to gain anything from this. Microsoft is using all kinds of tactics to gain more users to Edge and hope these users will use to Bing to search.
which tech-giant is the default choice
Meanwhile, on Lemmy, I suffer under the tyranny of Big Penguin
Heyoo!
They don’t want you to know you can just take the source code home, they can’t arrest you.
Big penguin is no joke. Just last week a penguin busted down my front door and forced me to compile my own kernel from source!
Did he tell you he used Arch?
Arch users rarely compile their own kernels, silly.
I use Arch btw.
😂
I use Gentoo, btw.
Yes, I build the kernel myself.
Yeah exactly this. But the bandwagon has left the station at this point.
Microsoft is is bed with Google now,
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A solution is not to use any product, service or software made by MS or google.
Not a choice in most business settings. Windows servers, Microsoft cloud, Windows workstations, and a 365 to complement. You have a better, equally integrated solution? Because, if so, I’d love to hear it.
Edit. I’m being serious. I’d love to hear it. If it meets the needs of my employer, I’ll pitch it. I have some pull. Who knows… it may work.
You’re the employee? Why would it matter to you what they use? Do your job, go home.
For many reasons. One of which is that I still have to use it, and enter my PII into it. If I can convince them to use less of these, why not do that?
I’m transitioning my (very small) office to OnlyOffice and OwnCloud this summer. I have a lot of autonomy so I can basically just make the decision.
I’m choosing OnlyOffice over LibreOffice because it’s a more similar to 360 an I will have to help the staff with very little tech literacy through the transition.
We’re not ready to transition the OS just yet (and may not be able to), but as the hardware ages, we may change over some of the less essential systems. Probably Ubuntu or Zorin.
Very cool! I hope it’s a successful change.
Look into onlyoffice. Last I heard, it was Russian based software, so it might be risky. It might not be, though.
It’s main development is in Russia and some people have a problem with that, but the code is open, so it seems far fetched that there is anything malicious in there. I’m not an expert by any means, though.
I’m with you. I use it on the iPad. But a part of me is a little cautious. I don’t think the devs would do anything nefarious, but Russia is Russia.
You have a better, equally integrated solution?
I mean, we do. Linux OS, Libre Office, Apache servers, Linux Cloud Service of Choice, PostgreSQL.
But you need techs familiar with those systems and businesses eager to implement Linux at a foundational level early on in the company’s development. Because a lot of businesses outsource their IT early on, and because a lot of end-user hardware has Microsoft pre-installed, and because the major IT outsourcers all get big kickbacks from Microsoft to be the default solutions, and because Microsoft has embedded itself at the university level at a global scale, and because Microsoft has successfully lobbied itself as the premier US contractor of choice for federal and state IT setups, it can be harder to find professionals willing and able to configure a Linux environment. This is assuming the company founders even think to ask for alternatives.
That’s not to say it never happens. FFS, some of the biggest competitors to Microsoft - Amazon and Google most notably - have relied on Linux/PostgreSQL architecture to keep their overhead low and their integrations non-exclusive. But they’re exceptional precisely because they laid the groundwork early.
The problem isn’t that integrated solutions don’t exist. The problem is that most CTOs don’t embrace them early on in the company’s development and find themselves trapped in the Microsoft ecosystem well after the point a transition would be easy.
Some of your emphasis is a little backwards. In the cloud computing environment, Amazon is bigger than Microsoft, and windows isn’t even particularly significant. Azure primarily provides Linux infrastructure instead of Windows. AWS is bigger in the government cloud sector than Microsoft.
For servers, Linux is hands down the os of choice. It’s just not even close. Where Microsoft has an edge is in business software, like Excel, word, desktop OS and exchange. Needing windows server administrators for stuff like that is a pain when you already have Linux people for the rest of your stuff which is why it gets outsourced so often. It’s not central to the business so no sense in investing in people for it.
Microsoft isn’t dominating the commercial computing sector, they’re dominating the office it sector, which is a cost center for businesses. They’re trailing badly in the revenue generation service sphere. That’s why they’ve been shifting towards offering their own hosting for their services, so you can reduce costs but keep paying them. Increased interoperability between windows and Linux from a developer standpoint to drive people towards buying their Linux hosting from them, because you can use vscode to push your software to GitHub and automatically deploy to azure when build and test passes.
Being on the cost side of the ledger is a risk for them, so they’re trying to move to the revenue side, where windows just doesn’t have the grip.
The integration is Microsoft’s monopoly behaviour which anti-trust organisation no longer put a stop to. There are alternatives but they struggle to match the level of integration Microsoft can achieve owning and making all of the office suite.
However European local and regional government have been moving over to Office alternatives such as Collabora, Onlyoffice and Libreoffice. Collabora & Onlyoffice are particularly designed for online use and collaboration.
There are also alternatives to the Exchange email system, with Nextcloud one of a few that can either be bought as a service or self deployed by organisations and individuals.
The biggest benefits are total control and privacy of data, plus better cost. Microsoft clients don’t generally get any of this, with the increasing push to integrate online services and try to forcably up-sell by bundling in stuff customers don’t need but have to buy to get the things they want or need. Microsoft rely on inertia and vendor lock-in; once you become dependent on their services it makes it seem impossible to get out and move to a new system.
How can we be sure this is genuine? I can see there is an opt out option. Thats very unMicrosoft like
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What’s the opt-out? “Continue without”? Same options as the ms account screen before it.
Try and continue without a Microsoft account when installing windows 11
Possible on pro (at least, for now). But, not on home last time I checked (which, admittedly, has been about a year). My daily non-work computer is not, and will never be, windows. But work is work.
I wonder if it’s an early response to the talk of breaking up Google and Chrome. MS gets more people onboarded to Edge and Google still gets your browser level metrics.
If these two companies are in bed with each other, they are hate-fucking each other though. Carnal pleasure but no love lost.
I don’t find this that infuriating. And you have choices to run a different browser. Granted, most of them are chromium based. Edge’s only use case is to download a Firefox fork and/or a better chromium that is neither Edge nor Chrome.
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