Nice in an ideal world
But just as it’s not a woman’s job to teach men emotional skills, it’s not a gay persons either.
Others can’t keep carrying the burden for this.
Pakistan’s champion wedding crasher has no place talking about empathy and kindness.
He doesn’t have any gay friends, so it’s not even his fault.
I love this.
Isolating from people who haven’t developed social skills is how we got incels in the first place.
That’s him advocating for wider adoption of prison culture or what?
Also I think I’d be dumb to try to make Röhm’s stormtroopers my role models to learn empathy and kindness, and they were much into that. Or Spartans.
Kind of a dumb quote. We need to be around gay men to learn how women feel when we’re trying way to hard to bang someone who isn’t interested.
Ah. Yeah. So when I first went to uni, I had long hair, oversize jeans and in general for me it seemed kinda hippie, but apparently made a different impression.
So there’s a moment when I stand talking to others from our group, feel a so-o-oftish touch on my shoulder and a male-made-feminine-with-effort slow voice “hi, my name’s Rustem”. I was fucking terrified.
So, not gay, but being autistic I might sometimes look that for normies. Broken signals might be perceived as gay signals or something like that.
does this apply to women? do women need lesbian friend to learn empathy and kindness? asking for a friend.
how DARE you
Jenny/Amber?
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as a society we already teach girls to be more reserved, thoughtful and kind, which also encourages empathy. the problem is that we teach boys to be tough and strong, and not much else. so they either need to learn these values from women or gay men who may have avoided the traps of toxic masculinity. of course if you’re friends with women or gay men you’re already self selecting as you’re also avoiding some trappings of toxic masculinity.
though Obama is bullshitting obviously because he showed none of that when he ordered drone strikes on random brown people celebrating and dancing in a wedding and shit… but the point stands.
Love the sentiment. Diversity helps empathy. People don’t need a specific type of friend. But I do like the general idea that people need exposure to others.
No idea what the expanded context is though.
There are not enough gay men around for that. But also who knows if this is really a Obama quote. And there are also enough wemen who can be role models for that an hetro, bi, and whatever non gay men who can be role models for empathy and kindness.
Obviously not drone-Obama.
Or other men. Anyone can be an ass, anyone can be kind. It isn’t a sexuality or gender thing.
it was said at a 2015 WH conference on aging. he expressed the thought at other times, too. Yahoo seems to suggest he attributes the thought to a gay professor he had, who modeled empathy and kindness to him.
To be clear, having a role model that is empathetic and kind is what’s needed. Looking for that in a particular flavor of humanity is… unnecessary. There are, IMO, rather few flavors of humanity in which you can’t find those qualities. (not saying it’s universal, but it’s not something tied to race or creed or generic social constructs. Except fucking nazis and their ilk. we won’t get into that.)
I think it comes from that gay men are more likely to have taken a step away from toxic masculinity than straight men (please note the emphasis). Obama is not incorrect that having gay men as friends can, then, help some straight men step away from toxic masculinity as well, and thus expand their sense of empathy and kindness, but the quote as it’s shown in the meme is insufficient and implies a more essentialist than cultural view of the behavior of homosexual men.
The quote could be out of context. Or Obama could just be showing his age - ultimately, he is definitely a man from a prior generation.
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It’s an awkward way of saying that we should seek out a broad variety of peers, friends and acquaintances.
A shocking number of comments in this thread that apparently were not able to parse that out. Sure it was awkward but it wasn’t that monumentally opaque this many people should have missed the message.
Yet OP still felt so compelled, so out of the loop to ask… so here we are all talking about it.
The entire post feels like it is made of false pretense… “what do you think of [obvious] X?”
It feels pretty damn much like OP is cooking BS here… the original post feels disingenuous.
Ahh yes because kindness and empathy is stored in the gay genes of course lmfao, what dribble.
Well I’ll tell you I think a lot more of it than I do of that engagement style title used on this OP.
I think it makes a lot of sense though if you actually pay attention to how teenage boys are behaving lately. There’s a lot of anti-gay sentiment. The best way to fight bigotry is exposure. That’s why conservatives hate the idea of college so much. They don’t like people of different backgrounds and beliefs mixing.
And then he started blasting
