And yet here we are. Where many people associate feminism more with men hating and power grabing. So many in fact that feminism needs to remind people over and over again that “feminisim is actually about equality”. Shouldn’t people come to that conclusion by themselves based on the actions of the movement? We should hear from everywhere “Hell yeah, feminism! I love those people! They fight for equality!”. Yet this basic principle needs to be repeated over and over again because people don’t associate feminism with it
Knowing what I do now about bot campaigns, and thinking back to my experiences online around 14-17, I am pretty sure there was (and is) a concerted effort to dilute the meaning of feminism and create the impression of an army of man-hating strawmen. Their purported existence is a crucial recruiting tool for andrew tate and other misogynist figureheads, drawing impressionable boys into the fold of patriarchal fascism. Only once in my life have I actually met, in person, a woman who believes that men are lesser, inferior, etc. I’ve met countless more men who espouse equivalent beliefs about women. It’s not even close to any kind of balance. All I can do is try to spread this truth but it’s getting harder these days. Speaking positively about feminism, as a man, in the wrong irl circles, can unfortunately get you badly injured or worse. But I have to keep trying because I refuse to accept the alternative. The bot problem just really scares me especially with the rise of AI.
The second wave ‘i should be able to wear daddys boot and step on all the necks i want!’ And ‘lean in’ bullshit really polluted it rhetorically.
Also, if people associated good things with the people who did them, no kid who ever needed free breakfast and nobody who needed an ambulance would be racist.
Child guardianship and mandatory military issues are problems created by the patriarchy. Dismantling the patriarchy is part of feminism, and feminists work toward this in many ways.
I do see men’s rights groups advocating for child guardianship issues, and that’s great, they should fight for that and feminists should (and do) support them, but why should the responsibility to fight for this be solely placed on feminists?
Mandatory military service is just fucked up and I think everyone should be fighting this, including men’s rights groups and feminists. But again, not an issue that primarily affects women or feminists, so why should they carry the brunt?
Female-focused education, by which I assume you mean educational opportunities created to provide equity for women, are no different than other equity-creating opportunities. If there are systematic issues that prevent a certain group from accessing the same level of education/jobs/whatever, then rules can and should be made to assist those people to have equal access to those things. That’s equity, and it builds the path to equality. (Of course, the US just got rid of all of that, so nothing to worry about for US people who have an issue with equity)
I expect you to support women’s rights, not to lead the charge to change them. (This is what carry the brunt means)
If you’re worried about men’s rights, feel free to support the many legitimate movements such as the Father’s Rights Movement or the Canadian Centre for Men and Families, or find any similar non-profit near you to volunteer with.
Pretty much all of my friends who have kids got divorced before the first kid was out of diapers. They all have 50/50 custody and they love it. Is this not the norm now?
It’s pushing to that direction, but many conservative(anti feminist imho) don’t want to acknowledge the bias in the system against for men’s rights to be full time fathers(many men also encourage this still)
And many family courts are still very old mindset where raising children are concerned.
It’s a slow match to sanity, with Maga and conservatives holding us all back.
Edit: Crap didn’t see what community this was, sorry If I’m not supposed to be posting here Can’t see the rules
for some places for reasons I don’t know
Uh, i can’t think of any i know who think 1 and 3 arent problems, who don’t, if you get them drunk, have a rant about them in the magazine if not the chamber.
There’s a lot going on in fairness! What’s the conclusion this statement is trying to suggest? Feminists aren’t working hard enough/in full agreement on these specific things therefore feminism isn’t worth pursuing?
And yet here we are. Where many people associate feminism more with men hating and power grabing. So many in fact that feminism needs to remind people over and over again that “feminisim is actually about equality”. Shouldn’t people come to that conclusion by themselves based on the actions of the movement? We should hear from everywhere “Hell yeah, feminism! I love those people! They fight for equality!”. Yet this basic principle needs to be repeated over and over again because people don’t associate feminism with it
Idk isn’t it just that the name is misleading?!
Knowing what I do now about bot campaigns, and thinking back to my experiences online around 14-17, I am pretty sure there was (and is) a concerted effort to dilute the meaning of feminism and create the impression of an army of man-hating strawmen. Their purported existence is a crucial recruiting tool for andrew tate and other misogynist figureheads, drawing impressionable boys into the fold of patriarchal fascism. Only once in my life have I actually met, in person, a woman who believes that men are lesser, inferior, etc. I’ve met countless more men who espouse equivalent beliefs about women. It’s not even close to any kind of balance. All I can do is try to spread this truth but it’s getting harder these days. Speaking positively about feminism, as a man, in the wrong irl circles, can unfortunately get you badly injured or worse. But I have to keep trying because I refuse to accept the alternative. The bot problem just really scares me especially with the rise of AI.
The second wave ‘i should be able to wear daddys boot and step on all the necks i want!’ And ‘lean in’ bullshit really polluted it rhetorically.
Also, if people associated good things with the people who did them, no kid who ever needed free breakfast and nobody who needed an ambulance would be racist.
Feminist circles aren’t exactly looking at the unjust laws of:
Child guardianship and mandatory military issues are problems created by the patriarchy. Dismantling the patriarchy is part of feminism, and feminists work toward this in many ways.
I do see men’s rights groups advocating for child guardianship issues, and that’s great, they should fight for that and feminists should (and do) support them, but why should the responsibility to fight for this be solely placed on feminists?
Mandatory military service is just fucked up and I think everyone should be fighting this, including men’s rights groups and feminists. But again, not an issue that primarily affects women or feminists, so why should they carry the brunt?
Female-focused education, by which I assume you mean educational opportunities created to provide equity for women, are no different than other equity-creating opportunities. If there are systematic issues that prevent a certain group from accessing the same level of education/jobs/whatever, then rules can and should be made to assist those people to have equal access to those things. That’s equity, and it builds the path to equality. (Of course, the US just got rid of all of that, so nothing to worry about for US people who have an issue with equity)
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I expect you to support women’s rights, not to lead the charge to change them. (This is what carry the brunt means)
If you’re worried about men’s rights, feel free to support the many legitimate movements such as the Father’s Rights Movement or the Canadian Centre for Men and Families, or find any similar non-profit near you to volunteer with.
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Pretty much all of my friends who have kids got divorced before the first kid was out of diapers. They all have 50/50 custody and they love it. Is this not the norm now?
It’s pushing to that direction, but many conservative(anti feminist imho) don’t want to acknowledge the bias in the system against for men’s rights to be full time fathers(many men also encourage this still)
And many family courts are still very old mindset where raising children are concerned.
It’s a slow match to sanity, with Maga and conservatives holding us all back.
Edit: Crap didn’t see what community this was, sorry If I’m not supposed to be posting here Can’t see the rules for some places for reasons I don’t know
This is an all genders community. Anyone can be witches and the patriarchy harms everyone.
Appreciate you letting me know. Thank you kindly
Uh, i can’t think of any i know who think 1 and 3 arent problems, who don’t, if you get them drunk, have a rant about them in the magazine if not the chamber.
There’s a lot going on in fairness! What’s the conclusion this statement is trying to suggest? Feminists aren’t working hard enough/in full agreement on these specific things therefore feminism isn’t worth pursuing?
On the first bulletpoint I’m suggesting that the mother is not necessarily the best option to place kids with during guardianship dispute.
Women can be just as toxic to their kin as men can.
Equality means equality 🟰 removal of gender when discussing guardianship.