• racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 days ago

    I’d say the issue is that if honey isn’t vegan because you’re causing harm to bees, isn’t most of modern vegetable agriculture at least equally harmful to bees & other insects due to all the pesticides being used?

    Or is it just if we directly involve bees, it’s bad, but if we inflict greater harm in a less direct way, it’s acceptable?

    • MalReynolds@slrpnk.net
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      6 days ago

      isn’t most of modern vegetable agriculture at least equally harmful

      I’m a going with far more harmful.

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        6 days ago

        Yeah. The modern method of acres and acres of one species being farmed, with or without pesticides and other performance enhancing drugs is terrible for the environment.

        For many animals, you might as well build an asphalt parking lot for each acre of corn or soy you plant. Same goes for Western grass lawns.

        The critters that can’t adapt starve or move away.

    • CetaceanNeeded@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      Not just insects. Vermin control is critical and often not very ethical. Here in Australia, rabbits and kangaroos can be a big issue for farmers too and are often killed to protect crops when they become too numerous. Ducks can be a big issue for rice farmers here and permits are issued to shoot ducks on crops.