I can’t say for certain because I wasn’t given one but I can’t imagine me and my friends would have been willing to communicate with each other on devices provided by our school. Even in the early 00s it would have been filled with spyware.
Yeah for sure. My friends and I were completely paranoid about stuff like that.
I cannot possibly imagine trusting a school issued device.
It is not the tool, but is the lazy stupid person that created the implementation. The same stupidity is true of people that run word filtering in conventional code. AI is just an extra set of eyes. It is not absolute. Giving it any kind of unchecked authority is insane. The administrators that implemented this should be what everyone is upset at.
The insane rhetoric around AI is a political and commercial campaign effort by Altmann and proprietary AI looking to become a monopoly. It is a Kremlin scope misinformation campaign that has been extremely successful at roping in the dopes. Don’t be a dope.
This situation with AI tools is exactly 100% the same as every past scapegoated tool. I can create undetectable deepfakes in gimp or Photoshop. If I do so with the intent to harm or out of grossly irresponsible stupidity, that is my fault and not the tool. Accessibility of the tool is irrelevant. Those that are dumb enough to blame the tool are the convenient idiot pawns of the worst of humans alive right now. Blame the idiots using the tools that have no morals or ethics in leadership positions while not listening to these same types of people’s spurious dichotomy to create monopoly. They prey on conservative ignorance rooted in tribalism and dogma which naturally rejects all unfamiliar new things in life. This is evolutionary behavior and a required mechanism for survival in the natural world. Some will always scatter around the spectrum of possibilities but the center majority is stupid and easily influenced in ways that enable tyrannical hegemony.
AI is not some panacea. It is a new useful tool. Absent minded stupidity is leading to the same kind of dystopian indifference that lead to the ““free internet”” which has destroyed democracy and is the direct cause of most political and social issues in the present world when it normalized digital slavery through ownership over a part of your person for sale, exploitation, and manipulation without your knowledge or consent.
I only say this because I care about you digital neighbor. I know it is useless to argue against dogma but this is the fulcrum of a dark dystopian future that populist dogma is welcoming with open arms of ignorance just like those that said the digital world was a meaningless novelty 30 years ago.
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You seem to be handwaving all concerns about the actual tech, but I think the fact that “training” is literally just plagiarism, and the absolutely bonkers energy costs for doing so, do squarely position LLMs as doing more harm than good in most cases.
The innocent tech here is the concept of the neural net itself, but unless they’re being trained on a constrained corpus of data and then used to analyze that or analogous data in a responsible and limited fashion then I think it’s somewhere on a spectrum between “irresponsible” and “actually evil”.
scraping the web to create a dataset isn’t plagiarism, same with training a model on said scraped data, and calculating which words should come in what order isn’t plagiarism too. I agree that datasets should be ethically sourced, but scraping the web is something that allowed such things as the search engine to be created, which made the web a lot more useful. Was creating google irresponsible?
This is a wild take. You can get chatbots to vomit out entire paragraphs of published works verbatim. There is functionally no mechanism to a chatbot other than looking at a bunch existing texts, picking one randomly, and copying the next word from it. There’s no internal processing or logic that you could call creative, it’s just sticking one Lego at a time onto a tower, and every Lego is someone’s unpaid intellectual property.
There is no definition of plagiarism or copyright that LLMs don’t bite extremely hard. They’re just getting away with it because of the billions of dollars of capital pushing the tech. I am hypothetically very much for the complete abolition of copyright and free usage of information, but a) that means everyone can copy stuff freely, instead of just AI companies, and b) it first requires an actually functional society that provides for the needs of its citizens so they can have the time to do stuff like create art without needing to make a livable profit at it. And even if that were the case, I would still think the current implementation of AI is pretty shitty if it’s burning the same ludicrous amounts of energy to do its parlor tricks.
The energy costs are overblown. An response costs about 3Wh, which is about 1 minute of runtime for a 200W Pc, or 10 Seconds of a 1000W microwave. See the calculations made here and below for the energy costs. if you want to save energy, go vegan and ditch your car; completely disbanding ChatGPT amounts for 0,0017% of the CO2 Reduction during Covid 2020 (this guy gave the numbers, but had an error in magnitude, which i fixed in my reply, calculator output is attached. It would help climate activists if they concentrated on something that is worthwhile to criticize.
If i read a book, and use phrases out of that book in my communication, it is covered under fair use - the same should be applicable for scraping the web, or else we can close the internet archive next. Since LLM output isn’t copyrightable, i see no issues with that - and copyright law in the US is an abomination which is only useful for big companies to use as a weapon, small artists don’t really profit from that.
The costs for responses are overblown, but the costs for training are not.
Adding the cost for training, which is a one time cost, to ChatGPT raises the power consumption from 3W to 4W. That’s the high-end calculation btw.
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Okay sure but in many cases the tech in question is actually useful for lots of other stuff besides repression. I don’t think that’s the case with LLMs. They have a tiny bit of actually usefulness that’s completely overshadowed by the insane skyscrapers of hype and lies that have been built up around their “capabilities”.
With “AI” I don’t see any reason to go through such gymnastics separating bad actors from neutral tech. The value in the tech is non-existent for anyone who isn’t either a researcher dealing with impractically large and unwieldy datasets, or of course a grifter looking to profit off of bigger idiots than themselves. It has never and will never be a useful tool for the average person, so why defend it?
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I am an average person, and my GPU is running a chatbot which currently gives me a course in Regular Expressions. My GPU also generates images for me from time to time when i need an image, because i am crappy at drawing. There are a lot of uses for the technology.
Okay so you could have just looked up one of dozens of resources on regex. The images you “need” are likely bad copies of images that already exist, or they’re weird collages of copied subject matter.
My point isn’t that there’s nothing they can do at all, it’s that nothing they can do is worth the energy cost. You’re spending tons of energy to effectively chew up information already on the web and have it vomited back to you in a slightly different form, when you could have just looked up the information directly. It doesn’t save time, because you have to double check everything. The images are also plagiarized, and you could be paying an artist if they’re something important, or improving your artistic abilities if they aren’t. I struggle to think of many cases where one of those options is unfeasible, it’s just the “easy” way out (because the energy costs are obfuscated) to have a machine crunch up some existing art to get a approximation of what you want.
Regarding energy use see my other reply. It’s like if you scold people for running their microwave 10s too long. Watching 2 hours of Netflix is a lot worse. go read up here
I can create undetectable deepfakes in gimp or Photoshop.
That is crazy, dude. You gotta teach me. There are soo many impoverished countries I wanna fuck over with this skill.
Gotta indoctrinate them into the surveillance state early. Gotta break them before they learn to resist.
Arrested and strip-searched for a first offense? That’s fucking ridiculous. I hope the lawsuit succeeds. It’s the only peaceful tool we have to curb over-zealous law enforcement.
Before the morning was even over, the Tennessee eighth grader was under arrest. She was interrogated, strip-searched and spent the night in a jail cell, her mother says.
Earlier in the day, her friends had teased the teen about her tanned complexion and called her “Mexican,” even though she’s not. When a friend asked what she was planning for Thursday, she wrote: “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s.”
This is an ass-covering response to school shootings, because some of the shooters have expressed their intent before.
A strip search obviously isn’t necessary even if it’s a credible threat; a metal detector wand and basic pat down is more than enough to ensure someone doesn’t have a gun. This wasn’t a credible threat though, and a chat with the school counselor would have been the right way to handle this.
Yeah, that was my first thought too. I can see the need to take anything that resembles an actionable threat seriously, but that poor kid did not deserve to be abused by law enforcement like that.
LOL the land of the free.
“… Whoever told you that is your enemy”
Think it’s the same people that talk about our glorious western democratic values™️.
You know, keeping those pesky refugees out, supporting genocide and wars.
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With you up until bringing the far left into this. What does universal healthcare, trans rights or taxing billionaires have to do with the surveillance state?
That wouldnt fall under** far **left, would it? Duh.
You said dud at the end so your argument is true.
I would argue that universal healthcare, trans rights and taxing billionaires are not far left, but Im not American.
But they ARE leftist topics
Yes but that doesn’t mean it’s a far left topic. This is the problem in politics nobody has the ability to understand that even an individual political system is an entire political Spectrum onto its own. Be it right or left.
Maybe when we say far left or right we really mean authoritarian? Either way democracy seems to be on the back foot rn.
Sadly people get Tankies, Neo-Liberals and the Real Left mixed up
Far left is guillotines, this is just someone with issues (I don’t mean her opinion but the fact that she has to try and “calm herself”)
No, thats a performative cunt. Its funny how you can recognise them so easily when they thing you dont like, but are so utterly confused when they say things you agree with. Almost like you have your own little agenda or something?
I mean, on the subject of trans people. It never seems to enter anyones heads that they amount of hate transwomen get is because people see them as men. And its actually an extension of the extreme misandry the online world has embraced. Thats why we never talk about trans men, because they are still seen as women. But the far left, or woke, or whatever other name you wanna give them, wont ever admit that. Because they want to call “all men” scum who need to be taught not to rape, while at the same time shouting that transwomen are safe because they are women. They dont dare tackle the elephant in the room, which is that that they agree with what the far right is saying, under certain circumstances.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, that speaks of any group as being a monolith, is a bigot. No ifs, no ands, no buts. All men, all women, all black people, all Dutch people, whatever is all the start of the same bigoted sentence. And “the left” does this every bit as much as “the right”.
I am a transwoman against misandry and I wanna say you’ve got it figured out. People only think transwomen are dangerous because they think we’re men, and we live in a society where “All men are predators, all women are victims.”
But the misandrists are the Neo Liberals, The REAL Far Left tend to be more egalitarian.
The Woke Group is closer to being Neo-Liberal than actual Left
I’m a real Leftist, I don’t care about policing language, I’m actually against it. What I want is Universal Healthcare and Trans Rights.
Sorry I could believe this if it weren’t for your right-wing chud reveal at the end. Also chuds tend to have pedo tendencies so I think you’re misrepresenting what you were banned for; as much as I hate to give the benefit of the doubt to reddit’s moderation team.
Yes, thank you for the example of what I was talking about. Very much appreciated.
What reveal? He just said he’s tired of extremists
“Sometimes you have to look at the trade for the greater good,” said Board of Education member Anne Costello in a July 2024 board meeting.
No no no no.
Exactly.
Its not even for the greater good: Ask for an example of chat control type laws leading to convictions and the only answer you will get is ”we cant discuss individual cases due to privacy / prejudice for a court case"They want more slave labor. The greater good is enriching themselves.
Shouldn’t they have used AI to collect the messages and then have a human manually intervene?
Some good news here is that if they apply this to society as a whole the jails would be too full, keep saying the no-no words online!
I didn’t know Reddit admins were also school admins
Talking about online privacy has become the “safe sex talk” of the last decade or so. You have to keep reminding kids so that it sticks. Nothing you say online is private, it can all be copied/screengrabbed/recorded/photographed and shared by the recipient. What you say, any images you post, etc. On school or work devices they can essentially see most everything, nothing is private. Even if you make efforts to cover your tracks, a truly determined agency with enough resources likely will find out who you are if they want to.
Nothing you say online is private, it can all be copied/screengrabbed/recorded/photographed and shared by the recipient.
Even if you fully trust the recipient, often times it can still be intercepted unless it’s end-to-end encrypted, but even then the end device can still be stolen too.
WTF America?
Surprised from that shithole?
put the phone down
I don’t understand why she was arrested, her “threat” was obviously a joke. I guess jokes are illegal now
Well in Scotland they certainly are
Anything with a very low rate of true positives applied to a large population is going to have an insane false positive rate. EG a 1 in 7M issue applied to 70M students with a 1% false positive rate would produce 700k false positives. Worse people who are actually planning a school shooting may be more likely to avoid telegraphing their intentions. So you could damage 700k kids futures and traumatize them without even catching many or any of the killers.
