Native English speakers… I hear the order of adjectives is important, and getting this wrong is jarring to read.
I’m making a pitch to upper management about building a “modular and versatile thingamawidget”. Or is it “versatile and modular thingamawidget”?
If it doesn’t matter, I think I’ll go for the latter, as it abbreviates to something easily pronouncable without sounding like a paramilitary group or a ride sharing business.
Although there is a common adjective order, it’s not always clear which category a word belongs in. People insisting that the words “modular” and “versatile” fit into whatever category they chose are presenting a lot more certainty than is warranted. I am a native speaker, and either order sounds fine in this case.
To my ears, when I say them out loud, I have to pause after versatile, but not after modular. This makes versatile and modular flow worse than modular and versatile does.
This also went away after a few repetitions, so it likely doesn’t matter all that much.
Neither sounds “wrong” to my ear, but if I had to pick one, hmmmm…I think modular things are inherently versatile, but versatile things aren’t inherently modular, so I would go with “versatile and modular” so it gets more specific from first word to second word.
Or consider not using both those words.
Edit: the order of adjectives usually matters when they are different types of adjectives, like “five big brown bears”. You have a number, a size, and a color. That one sounds wrong if you get them out of order. But modular and versatile are the same kind of adjective, so I don’t think there’s really a wrong choice here.
I tend to agree with you. Plus, with this particular thing, it’s possible to build it to be modular and not versatile, or the other way around. Or neither, which we’re using now.
The latter is correct.
English has a fixed adjective order:
Determiner
Quantity
Opinion
Size
Age
Shape
Color
Origin/Material
Qualifier
“Versatile” is an opinion and “modular” is a qualifier.
“The single, versatile, large, new, round, blue, local, modular thingamawidget.”
I agree that “versatile, modular” is the right order. But is that order also preferred if the conjunction “and” is used to separate the adjectives? I thought the rule was particular to the peculiar way we can string together adjectives with no conjunction.
“Modular, versatile” sounds wrong, but “modular and versatile” less so.
I’m not sure on the rules/general use but my ear agrees with this. As soon as you put an “and” between them nearly any order seems totally normal.
"I present to you the next generation of thingamawidgets. The future of thingamawidging: The SVeLNeRBLoMTtm "
I can sort out the blue aspect through cheap spray paint, but I need to do some research on making a 19" rack round…
Putting the shortest word first sounds better.
‘Men and women’ is the usual order, as is ‘ladies and gentlemen.’
I’d go with modular first. imho
I would say modular and versatile. Other one sounds off, but not in a critical way.
adjective order (first to last):
- Quantity
- Opinion
- Size
- Age
- Shape
- Color
- Origin/Material
- Qualifier
‘versatile’ is an opinion. it would go before ‘modular’
Why do you consider “versatile” an opinion? It’s a genuine question, I’m a native speaker and wouldn’t have thought that, but I’m also unfamiliar with how this is typically taught.
Heh, that made me realize that the trademark of the system we’re currently using, which is abbreviated into four letters, should have the first three in the opposite order.
It’s not uncommon to change the order for branding. It makes people notice it more – even though they’re noticing it because it “feels” incorrect, it tends to force a reader’s attention. Alternatively, it might be a non-english company.
What system? Lemmy? ActivityPub? Neither are 4 letter acronyms
Neither. By “we” I mean my colleagues and I at work. It’s a proprietary thing we use. I cannot share the name as it’s too easily googleable and doxxable, as it’s a highly niche system.
In this case the only rule I believe there is, is the prose. What sounds better when read out loud?
Literally looking at Elements of Style RN now to see if maybe I just don’t remember but it doesn’t have a chapter on the use of adjectives. 🤷🏻♂️
