This is still deflecting from the issue I’m talking about. Everyone keeps bringing up what the DNC should have done differently, and you can make a long list of those things, but that is not my point.

Your point is to ignore that and blame the voters. Sure, why not. Let’s concede your point. Great. Voters are at fault and the party has no responsibility to represent them, just to make a token effort to look like they care about being second worst to fascists once in a while.

The last three election cycles, we have run centrists against a reprehensible fascist. Two lost. One won, but it was a squeaker. democrats keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Do you suppose the electorate is going to change? Do you suppose republicans are gonna come around?

I say people can still vote and you respond with “easy for you to say.” Yes, it is. Saying facts are easy. Try it. People could vote. They weren’t locked in their homes. They had the ability to vote. How is this even a debate?

Of course they could. They didn’t. At some point the party is gonna have to actually appeal to them. republicans turned out to vote. But despite all the pandering democrats did in order to try to get their votes, despite siding with evangelical conservatives on Gaza, despite adopting republican policy on immigration, despite offering no counter to all the anti-trans hate, despite the endorsements of two cheneys, despite all that, republicans didn’t appreciate any of their efforts and voted for trump anyway.

democrats know how to pursue votes. But they only pursue votes they can’t get. But hey, they bear no responsibility whatsoever because you like the direction they’re moving in. Any losses from progressives are because progressives can’t win. Any losses from centrists are because the voters they hold in withering contempt are just too stupid to vote for people who would throw them under the bus at the first hint of a raised eyebrow from one chewing tobacco enthusiast bigot.

why not take a page from the right’s clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries.

I vote in primaries. I also see how, in local races, the party pulls out all the stops to stop progressive challengers to conservative incumbents, an advantage not afforded to progressive incumbents with conservative challengers.

republicans never vote for democrats, yet democrats never stop chasing their votes.

the left wing are far more reliable voters for democrats than the republicans whose votes centrists envy. And their votes are actually gettable. You know their issues.

So, republicans just piled on the anti-trans hate last election, and democrats responded with either silence or running their own anti-trans hate in their own ads.

Republicans are going to choose republicans, no party stood up for trans people, and the Overton window on trans people moved to the right. democrats not only didn’t say boo, a few of 'em said yay.

Of course the window was gonna shift with no one counteracting the propaganda. The same propaganda you’re boosting.

Pandering only works if you’re delivering more of what your audience wants than your opponent. It yields no votes from right wingers when they can choose fascists and get more of what they want.

But it does alienate people who would otherwise be your natural allies.

Candidates have no responsibility to appeal to the voters. Got it. That’s not what democracy looks like.

Francis could have excommunicated him, but didn’t.

That’s hardly fair. democrats fight Progressives every chance they get.

What do you care? I will never have political representation.

Oh right. You want me shut up and pretend to be happy that you have two republican parties that represent you.

democrats don’t move the Overton window left.

Maybe if they support genocide even harder, do even less to hold wealthy criminals accountable, throw even more minorities under the bus, and get a few more Cheneys on board, they will peel off exactly one republican vote.

Aw, who am I kidding? They would happily do that regardless of how few votes they got.

Wait. The “we get it. We happily moved to the right like we always do, and we totally get it, that sucks, but…” podcast had the only person other than Joe Manchin that typifies all they have ever been about as a guest?

How many ads per ep are they up to by now? 20? 30?

Any candidate who doesn’t will be opposed by their own party.

The only part of the constitution any of them care about are four words of the second amendment.

Until they see one of the minorities they want dead in camps carrying a gun.

Easy for you to say.

You have two parties that represent you.

Until trump is made to comply with the rule of law, no.

Bigots are all such entitled babies.

You broke the social contract by being a bigot. You refuse to treat trans people with respect and goodwill, yet expect it from others.

I hope lemmy’s mods never start acting like reddit mods. I hope they never start protecting bigots. (EDIT: sadly, that ship just sailed.) Bigots have too many platforms where they are welcome already.

Where bigots are welcome, no one else is.

I’m not discrediting you nor do I think my beliefs are absolute fact.

Nope, you’re just saying that your beliefs are sufficient grounds for being a dick to people you hate.

Thank you for confirming that the party will never listen.