Vegan eating is not self-sustainable, if nothing else vitamin b12 needs to be supplemented.

This is true for every diet, just if you eat meat you’re eating the bodies of cows that were supplemented with b12 (or cobalt which they process into b12). Might as well eat the supplement yourself. But this argument is silly anyway because I’m sure you also eat iodine in your fortified salt but don’t see that as an argument against your diet.

All of your other arguments are health related and they are easily debunked by a quick google search which I think you can do yourself too so clearly you are not convinced by conventional research and therefore this is a waste of time.

Either way you keep fully ignoring the moral argument I bring forth or defending it with health arguments (which I already said I don’t think is a valid justification for killing an animal. I’d gladly be obese if it saved even one animal but instead you kill hundreds of animals a year to feel marginally better against all conventional wisdom) and you seem to be struggling with this too when you say “please tell me how to kill an animal more humanely”. I wish you would open your eyes and see you can live in a way that aligns with your desire to reduce suffering in others.

Great, if you have recommendations on how I can source best practice, least harm

Yeah just don’t kill animals for optional products like meat. That causes the least harm.

my premise is that ABF is critical and necessary for my personal health journey

Sorry for being blunt but you literally just made that up. Every dietician organization in the western world agrees you can be healthy on a vegan diet during any stage of life.

I don’t like that you’re talking about trying to cause the least harm and being compassionate or humane when your actions show the opposite. That’s just lip service.

We disagree on the fundamental premise. If you see an animal on the side of the road in pain, do you leave it be?

I don’t think we disagree on that point.

[health related arguments]

I don’t think we’ll agree here nor do I think it’s fruitful to argue it because in my environment I’ve heard that saturated fat is the devil and the main cause for heart decease which is the second most prominent cause of death only trumped by cancer, while you are stating it as a healthy thing. I don’t have the time to research this nor do I think health is a valid justification for harming animals.

you have to start with a point of common agreement.

I don’t think so for the Socratic method but for making friends, which is what this post is about, that makes sense. From your expression of wanting a more humane way to slaughter, and desire to euthanize a suffering animal I am assuming we can find common grounds in that direction.

Would you agree that animals can suffer and are you against animal abuse?

The document

Okay let me rephrase again. In your opinion how much time from knowing they are going to die to actually losing consciousness would you think is quick enough to be considered humane?

Regardless, what is the best method of [slaughter]

Since eating animals is optional during all stages of our life (say all major dietician organizations), I think that we have no justification to take someone’s life. So the best method of slaughter is none. Animals are here with us not for us.

that keeps the meat usable?

I believe the best use of flesh is when it makes up a living being.

Lmao if AI companies are gonna pay the middle man and not the actual content creators I’m gonna snap

Cows don’t die to a captive bolt, they usually don’t even lose consciousness from it. It’s basically like a lobotomy, it makes them less likely to resist and kick while being strung up.

How much time from knowing they are going to die to actually losing consciousness would you think is quick enough to be considered humane?

Page 52 has all the steps you want in extreme detail.

I was asking what you personally think. (Repeatedly)

Linking to guidelines is such an “industry spokesperson” way of talking. I was hoping to have a bit more friendly/informal conversation.

I meant like the steps. Would you use a knife or a gun or?

The text you quote seems to misuse “humane” which means showing compassion. How do you compassionately kill an animal that doesn’t want to die? Is there some specific step that makes it compassionate? Or do you only kill the ones that are sick and dying?

Can you describe how you humanely kill an animal?

Good carnivores who can afford it will try to find sources of ethically raised and harvested meat

How do you ethically “harvest” meat? And why are you using a plant term for this?

Curious what you think the reason is?

Might want to try Nobara which is basically fedora but it installs proprietary gpu drivers on first boot

https://delta.chat/

It’s been in competitive playlist selection for years now

Removed trading so that items could be crosscompatible with Fortnite which no one asked for

Bunnies are vegans, why are they fishing :/

Someone* probably

You’re so close

The picture shows a tagged cow, which indicates someone owns them and will kill them at a fraction of their lifespan. This is in stark contrast to the title “Idyllic” which means extremely happy and peaceful.