This is probably a bit too reductive. Violence is sometimes necessary, but isn’t always the best strategy.
In general, the left should take an approach of nonviolent, disruptive agitation, combined with a willingness to use violence in self-defense. Arm up, protect each other, but don’t try to instigate a shooting war.
Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode “You Go High, We Go Low”.
Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I’m fond of mutualism in particular.
I feel like we need something along the lines of “ML - Yes, that’s lemmy.ml” added to the acronym list. Or maybe “WKB - Well known bastards”?
From a totally amoral perspective, sure. War is interesting, that’s what drew me to NCD in the first place. The pager memes in particular felt like a throwback to 00s-era neocon bullshit, though.
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The human shield narrative is a whole other level of mental gymnastics for me. Is there something in the water preventing people from understanding militants are people and people live in houses and houses are typically built next to other houses?
I’m pretty sure that that’s something that the average person just does not understand. As both an anarchist and a proponent of civilian firearm ownership, I’ve seen and participated in many discussions with people saying that “there’s no way you can fight the government, they have tanks/bombers/nukes/etc”. Like they think the government is just going to do precision drone strikes on all the insurgents and then it’ll be over. The inevitability of “collateral damage” doesn’t occur to them, and they have no idea how insurgencies work.
People on NCD probably do know better, but some have picked a side, and confirmation bias takes over from there.
I’ve also been a lurker there. The pager memes were pretty fucking disgusting. There’s definitely a sizable “rah rah Israel” contingent there, despite the community leaning more leftward than one would expect given the subject matter.
Lesser evilism is bannable because it’s still supporting evil.
I’m not going to weigh in on the original bans (contrary to the purpose of this community, I know). However, this is a pretty distinct third-partyist talking point. The “vote swapping programs” thing from your comment further downthread is also straight out of the third-party playbook.
Don’t you feel kind of weird to be pushing the third-party stuff as aggressively as you are, as an anarchist? Like, I’m not big on anarcho-purity tests, but you do understand that all our arguments against the effectiveness of electoralism apply just as much against supporting third parties, if not more so, right?
It seems like maybe Lemmy’s cadre of third party cranks and tankies may have warped your perspective a bit. Personally, I think we should be trying to avoid antagonizing the liberals unless it’s going to result in some sort of concrete benefit. They’re our largest pool of potential recruits, and even short of that they’re amenable to a number of our ideas. Catch more flies with honey etc etc.
That whole thing where people are coming from the wider community and just talking trash to the minority because they’re a minority, sounds like a strawman to me.
It does happen, but it’s mainly on posts that got popular for some other reason, like a meme post (or a Greta Thunburg quote, in this case) that resonates with a wider audience than just the minority community. With the extra upvotes, it becomes more widely visible to “the great dismissive majority”. Some portion of them will feel compelled to comment that “minority viewpoint is stupid”, or what have you.
Depending on what kind of community we’re talking about, they may also be the target of sustained harassment campaigns. This is more common with LGBTQ+ communities, for example.
“Waiter, this drama is dry as a bone. I specifically asked for medium-rare.”
I got banned, and then unbanned less than 10 minutes later. I had suggested that nuke should take a break and calm down. Not really a non-snarky way to say that without sucking up, so I just went for it, knowing what would probably happen.
NCD hasn’t updated on piefed.social since then, so it looks like Rimu might be of the same mind as Ada on this. I don’t blame either of them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Huh, didn’t know that this was a thing. Sounds a little more permanent than I would want, though. I don’t want to stop being a mascboy (mascman?) entirely. Variety is nice though.
The problem is that I am very, very lazy.
I’m serious, though. For this whole platform to work, admins and moderators need to be able to discuss their issues in a mature fashion. Ava acted reasonably here, but you remained belligerent and got the community removed from her instance. It didn’t have to go down this way.
It might be wise to step away from the computer for a bit. You didn’t handle this exchange well.
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It wasn’t me. I’m still hairy. q_q
And that’s true, but I think it’s important to note that Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself. The disease is his base, and the corruption of their belief in democracy. I hope I’m wrong, but I feel like we’ll see this level of politics for a while more.
It goes both ways, really. You’re right in that Trump couldn’t have gotten elected without the existence of that reactionary base. That’s always existed in American politics, though its strength has varied over time. However, his presence in politics energizes them, and inspires them to organize and spread their propaganda, while also serving as a powerful propaganda mouthpiece himself.
You’re also right that Trump’s exit from politics won’t calm things down right away. Hopefully his movement won’t find a new Fuhrer figure, though that’s always a possibility.
I’d been trying to promote gun ownership and training among left leaning folks since early 2016. Took various friends and Facebook randoms to the range and taught them to shoot. Have had motivation issues with that project for a while though.
Cheapest option is an assault 12 gauge.
I don’t think I’ve come across any “assault shotguns”, but maybe you’re referring to the “tactical” variants? They’ll typically come in black rather than wooden or camo pattern, have shorter barrels, and hold more ammo when compared with hunting shotguns.
It’s important to note that shotguns aren’t super beginner friendly, though they’re probably the most financially accessible option for home defense. One piece of advice I would give is to look up what “cheek weld” is when using a shotgun (in additional to general safety and usage info). We’re also pretty late in the game here for those that are worried about election-related violence, since developing marksmanship skills takes time. Better late than never though, just try to get at least one range trip in so that you can familiarize yourself with the basics.
Not looking to turn this into a guns thread, since that wouldn’t be very useful for the OP. If anyone has any questions on the subject, you could make a post in one of these communities, and I (and probably others) can give advice:
It smells like Fed in here. ಠ_ಠ
Anarchists have a significant history of using “Propaganda of the Deed” and accomplishing fuck all with it. No shortage of examples among the history of the broader left, too. So yeah, I’m gonna have to call BS on this.
Violence is a tool, and there’s a time and place for it. Don’t be an idiot adventurist about it though.