So you editorialized the title to make it fit the !europe theme better?

I am really on the fence about this one because it’s only tangentially related to Europe.

Du unterschätzt den Prozentsatz an Rechtsextremen, die dir hier aktuell was von “Grünen Kriegstreibern” erzählen. Die Afd plakatiert “Frieden!” direkt neben “Abschieben abschieben abschieben”.

vier Millionen Sitzplätze in Gefahr

Das isf aberbesonders schön ausgedrückt.

Cherrycola und Schlümpfe sind vegetarisch. Aber Haribo hängt irgendwie auch noch ganz stark am Bienenwachs, deshalb gibt es keinerlei vegane Gummitierchen. (Wobei die Schlümpfe immer noch mit künstlichen Farben gefärbt werden. Auch da ist Katjes weiter, selbst blau kriegen die algenbasiert hin.)

Was ist das denn für ein Artikel? Das Thema hätte definitiv eine tiefere Betrachtung verdient. Aber das ist ja echt Geschreibsel.

MELONI

Not because of some vague feeling, but because I myself, friends and acquaintances have been harassed, insulted, robbed, sexually assaulted, and violently injured. I’m visibly queer and can’t use public transport at night anymore because of repeated harassments. I had to run more than once.

I am sorry that this happened to you.

However:

• I do know that locally, in this Eastern German town, right-wing asshats use general feelings pretty much exclusively and don’t even care that crime rates have gone down quite significantly or that we’re doing better than other cities.
• I do have right-wing family. I can tell you that the only reason you don’t run from them in public-transit contexts is that they use cars not transit.

On top of that Islamist knife and vehicle wielding terrorists didn’t used to murder in my city 10 years ago.

Are these a common sight now? And if both of these happened in your city, then I suspect the only German city you may be living in is Berlin.

Yes, poor young single males are more likely to be violent criminals. Maybe that’s a reason to not take them in in huge numbers?

… Or maybe, they’re coming here in any case and European societies have too few young working-age people, so on average they’re come in extremely handy?

The real learning from this should be not to let social outcomes go to shit for less well-off people.

You’re conflating Islam and Islamism.

I am not. I understand it might read like that though.

However, I meant Islam. E.g. anti-headscarf laws to me, are generally anti-Islam, not anti-Islamism.

Most Muslims are normal and well behaved folks.

So maybe these 40% migrants in some age groups are not all a danger to social cohesion then?

Of course the right populists use issues of demographics, migration, identity, crime, anlienation, etc. to the detriment of the working class. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any real issues.

I guess we’re finding common ground there. Except I see that issues arise in terms of there being a large potential of fucking up integration. Like, e.g. Germany which has just cut a lot of money for language courses which were already overflowing to the degree that people couldn’t register for way too long.

And yes, different cultures approach problems differently and tend to have different values, and that will obviously lead to certain issues. As long as violence and wild insults are credibly off-limits, there’s no real harm in that.

The issues are similar to the issues elsewhere: Sweden informally segregated migrants from Swedish-born people, in housing projects, in lower-paying jobs etc. We need to fix the social situation (and not just for migrants) to lower crime rates for the future.

What the right (including the center-right) is doing, i.e. worsening social outcomes for most people and often times intentionally hurting integration in general society and in the labor market will only make crime rates go up.

Because, after all this time, we realized it’s a pretty harsh insult.

The source is paywalled. Can I suggest using an alternative?

E.g. https://www.dw.com/en/a-70007169 or https://apnews.com/-9c75458155a8ad577c3d0ad0cb871ac5

It’s also a false narrative. Public speech is usually moderated in both the US and the EU.

Extremism blooms way more often when speech isn’t moderated well. The UK being taken over by people who read/wanted to believe (Russia-sponsored) fake news on Twitter is a recent example.

Thanks!

This whole line of argumentation is lazy. Claiming that arson doesn’t create victims and doesn’t potentially kill people. wtf?

The whole “difference in quality” comes down to reporting. Burning refugee homes is so normal that it often only makes local news here.

Hi, I am the mods responsible.👋 And yeah, I am deleting comments if they are just inciting hate, are obviously racist, etc. Unfortunately, a topic such as this one attracts these kinds of opinions. And no, for the sake of everyone’s well-being, I am not just letting them stand.

You can look at the modlog if you want: https://p.feddit.org/modlog?community=5765

Whichever way you look at it, that is not a healthy situation in democracy.

Eh. What’s truly not healthy is absolute free speech. That just helps the most extreme voices thrive.

It’s not listed. But I am almost certain there’s some proportionality here.

The German internal secret service (BfV) counted 1148 violent right-wing offenses in 2023. There were 329 violent offenses with “foreign” ideological background (this includes islamism among many other things) in 2023. Source PDF

I should probably note that BfV is known for being a little blind to right-wing extremism too.

Previous BfV president Maaßen has in the meantime become the leader of his very own right-wing party. I do trust current BfV president Haldenwang a bit more than him but I don’t think he’s been able to unfuck the organization as a whole.

Huh? You were complaining about how evil mods were suppressing debate (paraphrasing obviously).

But the removed comment thread literally started with a blanket “muslims are bad” comment.

If comments like “all muslims are bad” are a good start to a “debate of substance” in your view, I don’t actually mind you not participating.

Ich verstehe wirklich nicht, wie der ÖRR das nach über zehn Jahren Afd-Lügerei in Talkshows immer noch nicht hinbekommt. Scheint wohl gewollt zu sein.

Es gibt auch überhaupt keinen Grund, Interviews oder Wahldebatten live zu übertragen.

@KasimirDD@feddit.org Bitte mach da ein “(2020)” hinten an den Titel. Das ist doch sonst nur irreführend.