They planted bombs in hardware that is used exclusively by Hezbollah operatives and their accomplices to evade gathering sigint. Yes, civilians got hurt. That’s the nature of war, and what makes it so horrible - people who might hold no malice nor pose any threat to the other side get hurt and die.

How is this argument different than defending the use of landmines?

So the pagers were ordered by Hamas. You send that text you don’t know if they are at a daycare picking up their kids, if they lost the pager and it’s sitting on some restaurant owner’s countertop next to some other family, etc etc etc.

There are so many things that can happen between when those pagers get rigged and sent out and the time they are detonated.

If Israel seemed at all like they tried to avoid bombing and shooting civilians in Gaza we could at least defend their actions there by saying “clearly they are trying to avoid civilian casualties” (we can’t, but we could) - but there is nothing but hopes and prayers to avoid civilian casualties in an attack like this.

Literally if any non-governmental entity did the same thing, no one would hesitate to call it a terrorist attack. And that’s what it is here, a terrorist attack.

Magas, anime butterfly meme, “Is this the deep state?”

OTOH they did delete all those Jan 06 text messages so I no longer regard them as objective in the performance of their duties.

She’ll probably be happy to take it. She achieved her goal, like a good soldier.

“Still a man, he hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest” -Paul Simon

I think you need to heed your own advice based on how this discussion has gone.

I don’t see this being examined in any objective and scientific way.

What would be scientific would be to allow women and their doctors to evaluate those risks together and make the decision without Republican lawmakers continuing to try to insert themselves in between. Sorry if that’s too emotional.

I’m also quite sure there are scientific journal papers that cover this. I feel like you are expecting an awful lot from an article about a specific event on politico.

It is literally the highlighted quote in the article: “we actually have the substantiated proof of something we already knew—that abortion bans kill people.”

For someone who complains about others not being objective, I find it unexpected that this is what you would quote to support this assertion by you:

using a sample size of 1 as evidence of an epidemic

and the perception that no women die from legal abortion procedures.

I don’t know anyone who has edit: [ever expressed] that perception. Anecdotal I know, but I’m skeptical it’s a common belief among adults of voting age.

using a sample size of 1 as evidence of an epidemic

I don’t see that word, nor any language that conveys that impression in the article.

I do see this:

At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state, ProPublica has found. This is one of their stories.

That seems pretty straightforward and unsensationalized to me.

On the one hand, you have some women dying of complications arising from an elective procedure that they chose to have, based either on medical necessity or other factors. On the other hand you have a woman in need of medical care that she wished to have, and was denied, due to her reproductive autonomy being denied, then dying as a result.

Yet you have a hard time distinguishing what makes these things different?

Republicans are the DARVO party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

I mean, hasn’t it been pretty clear for at least a year now that this is the plan.

Fair point! I’d love to see the reaction of my maga neighbor with his handwritten signs about what morons and traitors Harris voters are.

Actually, it would probably involve violence or vandalism so I’d rather not. But, if I believed he would keep his hands and bullets to himself…

Why wait?

I’d love for that to be so, but I think centrist dems are OK with status quo, nothing progressive, already. An influx of “conservative democrats” isn’t going to move the needle in a good way.

Again, sincerely hoping to be proven wrong, that’s just how I read it.

Raise your hand if you think this will result in meaningful consequences of any kind.

crickets

Interesting, thank you!

Serious question because I am math-challenged.

What things are we able to quantify by finding the square root of a negative number aside from square roots of negative numbers?

Seriously WTF is up with this?

Also innocent Haitian immigrants were attacked.

https://haitiantimes.com/2024/09/11/haitian-immigrants-in-ohio-under-racist-attacks/

I can’t believe so many people are describing it that way. It’s clear there are plenty who will still vote for them.

I just see this making the Democrats even more conservative since the few non-batshit Rs will start looking that way and the leadership will try to woo them. (as they already are)

Progressives and actual leftists are going to be less represented, not more.

At least that’s my gloomy take. I’d love to be talked out of it.

He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.

So, par for the course with US law enforcement.