I 100% agree with this data. Men commit more crimes of this nature than women. Problem is not with the data. Problem is that this data is not directly relevant here.
Most such crimes are committed by men but most men don’t commit such crimes. And the post implies that most men do.
Not really. The image (which might I remind you is a comic strip, not some article published on Science or an opinion piece on the New York Times) implies that women feel very differently about “random strangers of the opposite sex near you right now!” than men do.
And that’s true, precisely because of the data you just agreed is valid. If I say to a guy friend “dude you’re not going to believe this, we were invited to a party with 50 girls and we will be the only two men!” he’ll have a profoundly different reaction than if a girl heard from a friend “girl you’re not going to believe this, we were invited to a party with 50 men and we will be the only two girls!”. It doesn’t matter to them, at this point, “oH nOt AlL MeN aRe DaNGeRoUs” what matters is that they’d be in a inherently more dangerous position than men would be in the opposite scenario.
The comic strip is noticing the difference in gut feeling and reaction, not proposing a thesis on men’s criminality.
I don’t agree this is the implication. The comic is juxtaposing how men might see a bunch of single women as an opportunity whereas women might see a bunch of single men as a threat. It doesn’t have to be all or even most men in that group for the threat to be real.
Also how is the data not relevant? The data is literally quantifying the problem this comic is addressing: this is a problem that disproportionately victimizes women and the perpetrators are often men, by a large margin. That is literally the basis for why the woman is unsettled whereas the man is relatively carefree.
Women would literally rather be stuck with a bear rather than a man they do not know. So, is it sexism? Or is there a fundamental problem (read patriarchy) that makes women scared of men.
Do you think it’s sexist to report that men commit 90% of all rape and sexual assault?
That’s the same logic that has rounding up brown people in the US now. Some of them might be working for the cartels, so better treat every gun as if it were loaded.
Oof. I really shouldn’t have to explain the systemic difference between the two.
Also once again, this comic is making the joke that a strange man could be a rapist, and that women are not interested in strange men the same way men may be interested strange women - not that all single men are rapists.
You’re purposefully conflating this comic to the level of hating men, and then to the level of using crime statistics to perpetuate systemic racism. Brother you’ve lost the plot.
In college, I saw a sign that said something like 1 in 6 women will be sexually assaulted. Based on conversations with women around me and my own experiences, I’m pretty sure it’s actually 6 in 6 women.
Before you get upset, yes, I am aware men get assaulted too. That’s not okay either.
but this post makes it seem like most of them do or want to.
The people commenting on the post are making this implication, the comic itself is bland and dumb and has been overplayed for the last 30 years as a pretty standard joke about the differences between men and women and doesn’t really make a suggestion beyond “men and women have different concerns.”
The problem is we are all internalizing both perspectives in the most toxic, anti-social ways imaginable and isolating ourselves more and more and making the divide worse and worse every year.
The reason these conversations are so unproductive is because some people take the wildest read of these jokes (“all men are rapists”) and get offended by them, when the surface reading (“men like the idea of meeting a random woman, women do not like the idea of meeting a random man”) is crystal clear and non-controversial. This joke could be from a Seinfeld opening monologue, it’s such a generic piece of observational comedy.
That’s not sexist at all
This is like saying that recognizing gay people are assaulted more often is homophobic
It takes five minutes to find data that shows that this is very much not sexism.
What data?
Number of dangerous outcomes when meeting a new person in a date by gender.
Violent crime by gender.
Rape events by gender.
Domestic break and entering by gender.
Pick your favorite?
I 100% agree with this data. Men commit more crimes of this nature than women. Problem is not with the data. Problem is that this data is not directly relevant here.
Most such crimes are committed by men but most men don’t commit such crimes. And the post implies that most men do.
Not really. The image (which might I remind you is a comic strip, not some article published on Science or an opinion piece on the New York Times) implies that women feel very differently about “random strangers of the opposite sex near you right now!” than men do.
And that’s true, precisely because of the data you just agreed is valid. If I say to a guy friend “dude you’re not going to believe this, we were invited to a party with 50 girls and we will be the only two men!” he’ll have a profoundly different reaction than if a girl heard from a friend “girl you’re not going to believe this, we were invited to a party with 50 men and we will be the only two girls!”. It doesn’t matter to them, at this point, “oH nOt AlL MeN aRe DaNGeRoUs” what matters is that they’d be in a inherently more dangerous position than men would be in the opposite scenario.
The comic strip is noticing the difference in gut feeling and reaction, not proposing a thesis on men’s criminality.
I don’t agree this is the implication. The comic is juxtaposing how men might see a bunch of single women as an opportunity whereas women might see a bunch of single men as a threat. It doesn’t have to be all or even most men in that group for the threat to be real.
Also how is the data not relevant? The data is literally quantifying the problem this comic is addressing: this is a problem that disproportionately victimizes women and the perpetrators are often men, by a large margin. That is literally the basis for why the woman is unsettled whereas the man is relatively carefree.
Women would literally rather be stuck with a bear rather than a man they do not know. So, is it sexism? Or is there a fundamental problem (read patriarchy) that makes women scared of men.
Do you think it’s sexist to report that men commit 90% of all rape and sexual assault?
People ask less questions if you shoot a bear.
So if I am being an asshole, I should make the “logical” jump that all single women are whores and sluts because majority of prostitutes are women.
Not all men and not all women. Generalising is never good.
when we talk about men being dangerous, it’s not in a “LITERALLY ALL MEN ARE EVIL RAPISTS” way.
it’s in a “treat every gun as if it were loaded” way.
That’s the same logic that has rounding up brown people in the US now. Some of them might be working for the cartels, so better treat every gun as if it were loaded.
Yes you are being an asshole thanks for noticing. Also wtf are you on about - no where does it say “ALL SINGLE MEN ARE RAPIST.”
You saw yourself in this comic and got defensive - that “whores and sluts” line came naturally to you.
This is the same reaction that I had when I saw the post that says “men are rapists”. I got offended.
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Okay not sexist at all then. Because there’s nothing racist about crime statistics about black people.
What people might do or say in regards to those statistics is typically where the racism comes in.
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Oof. I really shouldn’t have to explain the systemic difference between the two.
Also once again, this comic is making the joke that a strange man could be a rapist, and that women are not interested in strange men the same way men may be interested strange women - not that all single men are rapists.
You’re purposefully conflating this comic to the level of hating men, and then to the level of using crime statistics to perpetuate systemic racism. Brother you’ve lost the plot.
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YES! We’re getting to the same page. The difference is the patriarchy defends itself. I’ve never seen a black person fight to defend systemic racism.
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In college, I saw a sign that said something like 1 in 6 women will be sexually assaulted. Based on conversations with women around me and my own experiences, I’m pretty sure it’s actually 6 in 6 women.
Before you get upset, yes, I am aware men get assaulted too. That’s not okay either.
I agree with this. Problem is that it is not done by most men, but this post makes it seem like most of them do or want to.
This post makes it seem that women need to prepare for assault even if not everyone will assault them.
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I am a woman. Have been assaulted. I lock my doors.
Interesting. I interpreted it differently.
I saw it as women experience assault at such high levels, that they feel unsafe around strangers.
Whereas, men see it as an exciting opportunity, full of possibilities. Not necessarily that they intend to commit assault.
The people commenting on the post are making this implication, the comic itself is bland and dumb and has been overplayed for the last 30 years as a pretty standard joke about the differences between men and women and doesn’t really make a suggestion beyond “men and women have different concerns.”
The problem is we are all internalizing both perspectives in the most toxic, anti-social ways imaginable and isolating ourselves more and more and making the divide worse and worse every year.
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One user called me a rapist for this. Like wtf. How anything defending men can be converted to men are rapist pigs, is fascinating.
The reason these conversations are so unproductive is because some people take the wildest read of these jokes (“all men are rapists”) and get offended by them, when the surface reading (“men like the idea of meeting a random woman, women do not like the idea of meeting a random man”) is crystal clear and non-controversial. This joke could be from a Seinfeld opening monologue, it’s such a generic piece of observational comedy.