I feel like this is the new normal cycle of every software company. Once they become a leader, it’s never enough. It replicates the rise of billionaires. Just as the billionaires being rich beyond anything they and all of their succeeding generations could ever spend is not enough, being the industry leader and producing an amazing product that people want is somehow not enough. It always turns to control and power.
And they can suckle upon my peener.
I’ll go to Graphine or something else before I let the company for whom “don’t be evil” was too bold a statement dictate my fuckin’ choices.
I already ditched Windows. Can’t be that hard to cut Google out too.
Graphene has locked itself to google hardware, and google can cripple them at any point by stopping bootloader unlocks. We need to go deeper, or aim higher as it were
They have stated that they’re more than willing to work with any manufacturer who is prepared to make a device that meets their security standards. But as it stands, Pixels are the only unlockable devices that meet that standard.
Someone like Fairphone could do pretty well from a tie-in with Graphene. But it’s up to them.
They haven’t locked themselves to Google hardware by choice, it’s the only hardware with the security features they need so far.
Remember graphenes goal is a very secure OS, not just a more private degoogled one, for that there’s /e/os and other options that support more hardware.
Not that they locked themselves but other vendors locked and isolated themselves by not provideing enough hardware and software security measures so graphebne will be able to strenghten them
Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.
The issue isn’t that. It’s that devs may juat abandon projects if they’re too naughty for Google cos the custom ROM crowd is so tiny.
Right so think torrent clients, idk, Pornhub app, that sort of thing. Yeah, it doesn’t affect your phone. But it absolutely will affect what software is available at all should Google clamp down on this.
Sucks that it only works on devices made by Google though…
You have LineageOS for many other devices.
Wait until Google locks the bootloader.
I know that the GrapheneOS team have mumbled about the possibility of working on their own device. Although, this would probably be a long way off if it ever did come to fruition.
Maybe shit like this will push them down that road faster. We need options for sure.
Donate to the project. Graphene is run by a very small group of people who are very good at automation.
I don’t think they could effectively produce a whole new platform unless they had a lot more help.
If you value privacy, gonna have to crack open the wallet or volunteer to help.
If we just hope someone will save us, we are going to be very disappointed.
But, what happens when Google decides to no longer the option to unlock the bootloader for future phones? It’s the future that is the concern when it comes to the degoogle options available.
Then the community shifts to a different model, or puts more resources behind mobile Linux projects, and all that would need to happen is something like what Valve did for Linux for the Steam Deck.
I’m ready to switch to a Linux phone as soon as I can find one where the basic phone features work properly (MMS, wake from sleep, camera, etc). The more people like me can switch, the closer we’ll be to mainstream adoption. That’s the same process as Linux has been going through: I switched before Steam on Linux was a thing, then Steam came and more switched, then Proton made windows games work and more switched, etc, and now we’re seeing the start of “normal” people switching.
I hope that happens before my Pixel 8 goes out of support or breaks.
https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/
I’m already seriously considering giving this a go as my next phone soon. My current phone is desperately in need of replacement.
If it goes well I will be vocal about it.
Yeah, it looks cool, but I’m not really in a position to be a guinea pig. If they were around 2 years ago, I probably would’ve given it a shot.
I am looking for another phone at some point in the next year (kids getting about that age), so if I hear good things, I might just pull the trigger. It is a bit chonkier than my current phone, which isn’t great (30mm longer, 10mm wider, and 110g heavier), but according to reviews, it seems to fix all the issues I have w/ the PinePhone.
Who knows, maybe your review will push me over the edge in deciding to get it.
What kind of phone?
Pixel 6
I want to know, too. I got a Samsung s23 when my last phone suddenly died and I only then realized thar it wasn’t compatible.
The joke is that GrapheneOS only works on Google Pixel phones.
You can get a cheap refurb Pixel. The returns are very diminishing these days on new models anyway.
Fuck Google!
Gives Google $900
I spent a mere $500 for my Pixel 9a. Most expensive phone I’ve ever owned. But at least I can send a text message from inside my house and make phones from out in my yard now.
Eh, I got a used Pixel 8 for $350 or so, and it works great with GrapheneOS.
My gold standard is a proper Linux phone, but those aren’t reliable enough yet, so using Google’s phone is the next best option.
I noticed that, and they are expensive.
Bought a Pixel 7a new below 350 EUR last december. Buying used is also an option.
That is reasonably priced. I have another year on my current phone before it is paid off. I armored it up like there is no tomorrow so it should last without a breakage.
I had a problem for years of buying cases and tempered glass for my phone since I had a phone break BECAUSE of those things.
Time to back to the analog world and short wave radios.
As shitty as M$ is, it would have been nice to see Windows phone become moderately successful and be a third primary mobile os.
This sucks for the average person but, well, everything tends to. If you don’t look for avenues around literally everything “default”, you’re being scammed. They don’t, so they will be.
I do, so I’ll be carrying a Oneplus 6T and slapping a mobile Linux OS on it for my needs.
that’s not usable!
For you.
If you don’t look for avenues around literally everything “default”, you’re being scammed. They don’t, so they will be.
And this is why the real solution we need is enforcement of anti-trust law, not mere individual boycotts.
Ive got the 7T. What OS are you gonna use?
I’m going to try all of them. I’ve always wanted to just go to ebay, buy a 6T and try some of these operating systems. It’s the target phone for about half of them. What interests me the most is Plasma Mobile on PostmarketOS. It looks slick and not too dissimilar from Android.
Linux on mobile is very model specific. The 6T isn’t even perfectly supported by anything, it’s just supported enough to be functional.
Why the 6T? Just the right mix of hardware that released with the right mix of software to make it ideal. the Pixel 3 also had a lot of Linux compatibility.
What about flip phones?
There is an interesting new breed of flip phones that can be tethered to for internet access. I could imagine a flip-phone + laptop setup being perfect for a lot of users here.
I think my CatB40 dumb phone does tethering, a flip phone would look cooler though. What are some good ones to look for? But as I occasionally have it in a pouch for kayaking it might not be the most useful to have a flip phone as you can’t really open it when its sealed. But if cheap enough I could always swap a SIM between a few.
If you don’t look for avenues around literally everything “default”, you’re being scammed.
This is unfortunately true. I’m glad some people realize it, but I wish we didn’t have to.
This abuse needs to end. Heads are going to roll.
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Shattered pixel dungeon? Or is there another version?
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they just want to confirm a malicious actor didn’t develop it
So Newpipe, SmartTube, Nintendo emulators…
Clones of opensource apps bundled with ads that violates license is OK, but restricting everyone to build and test apps from source so it can test new features and report any issues is too risky for the user
Literally anyone who simply wants their privacy.
chrome is at thier limits, since people can just use a different browser/
just dont update your phone problem solved
This is likely via silent updates of Google’s Play Services.
Or forced updates
We still need security updates.
Can someone just do the needful?
Fuck them. I have a guitar a pocket watch and a wind uo radio. Everything have is a nicety.
I came here specifically to ask about alternatives to Android now that google is becoming too abusive in the relationship.
Yeah well luckily for them, people don’t seem to know how to write anything but webapps anymore anyway.
In an environment most convenient for making webapps people make webapps.
It’s not even such a wrong idea honestly, if the “web” in “webapp” were a bit leaner and you’d make local applications with something document-oriented for GUI looking at a local service. It’s just a decent bit of structure to make application design easier. Nothing wrong with that IMHO.
But, ahem, when by “webapp” we mean that we have a browser fulfilling the role of an operating system, and there’s one company making it, then something is wrong.
I heard that voyager is a website under the hood
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Look up Microsoft in the early 90s and how we all got through it.
tbf, we all got through it by just going to other platforms. now there’s almost no other platforms to go to because big tech either pressures them until they fold, or sell to them and become part of their umbrella as some shill company or they remain independent but still use big tech software to run their backend, so your info ends up going to them anyway.
i think in the future, everyone will be forced into surveillance by default and those who don’t will have to either pay dearly for privacy or learn how to program their own security. checkout project gideon that’s already getting pitched to the united states government and other governments from israel. it’s literally that show “person of interest” plus
Pretty sure they’re talking about antitrust lol
Always has been
That’s just it. You’re not supposed to live. You’re supposed to be controlled.
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