• Mark@mastodon.world
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      @Awesomo85 Rephrase: “As long as we have voting, a little voter fraud is acceptable”. Obviously voter fraud is NOT acceptable, but any system that covers 200 million or so potential voters cannot be completely foolproof. Like security systems, the goal is to have so many different safeguards that the number of violations becomes vanishingly small. The fruitless efforts to find any widespread voter fraud to date indicate that we have been successful.

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        19 days ago

        And to add, our last couple elections have been the most secure, with the least voter fraud in history.

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          19 days ago

          It’s only on par with the zero reported voter fraud in Russian elections!

          I’m sorry, but some of us consider the electoral college and gerrymandering voter fraud.

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            17 days ago

            Fraud involves falsifying documents. The Electoral College and gerrymandering can be unfair, but they are not fraudulent.

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              Sorry, the term fraud has no such requirements, nor does the term voter fraud (although you could argue it is not because the practice is not illegal, whereas my counterargument would be it that any system that considers it legal is already questionably not so). Anyway, have fun reaping what you sow, it has been a broken system for decades with no shortage of denialists like you. It’s not going to get fixed when the system is at its worst as it is now.

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                16 days ago

                Alright. Here’s the definition pulled from Google

                wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

                I don’t think you understand what I’m saying though. I don’t like the electoral college, but it’s not fraud. I don’t deny any election results. It’s just that words mean things and nobody is lying about how the electoral college works or how gerrymandering works.

                The electoral college is in the US Constitution so calling it a wrongful deception is a weird take.

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      19 days ago

      “Unless the system is entirely perfect and without defects we can’t make reasonable concessions to make voting easier.”