Damage is done. MAGA idiots will run with this regardless. Look at the anti-vaxx crowd as examples
and all retractions and corrections will be touted as cover ups. The damage is done, innocents will be attacked over it.
Lol they will never see the retractions. I’m sure my more conservative friends will bring this up as of its gospel years after.
One of them recently referred to the Trump shooter as a blue haired lefty extremist.
Would like more confirmation on this than a picture of a tweet saying so.
Huh? It was a lie. You want confirmation that a lie is a lie? How does one prove that? You literally got this backwards—the onus would be on you to prove that there was pro-trans messaging on the bullet.
Also, fucking google it.
Settle down, Francis. I don’t believe something just because someone posted a picture of someone else’s tweet saying it. That’s how propaganda works.
This is someone making a claim, secondhand. People who make claims have the burden of proof. I am not making a claim.
e: https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/20824428
And the claim isn’t true. That wasn’t a retraction.
Now apply that same logic to the original claim
https://fedia.io/m/news@lemmy.world/t/2696480/-/comment/12284533
Did you?
The thread parent posted, as a quote from somewhere:
Cartridges with “transgender and anti-fascist” writing on them were found.
A responder replied:
are you seeing that in the article?
Because that claim was not in the article posted.
I replied, what you’re linking to:
That’s from other reporting, but it is being reported from legitimate sources.
That it was being reported. At legitimate sources. Which it was. Being reported.
I would argue that news organizations that report about something that could incite more violence without knowing any details is not legitimate.
Edit: Downvote me all you want, but reporting on something that immediately sounded made up without asking any more questions or knowing any details is journalistic malpractice.
Someone just posted proof they didn’t retract it.
Its very much still up, now just framed in a “maybe do your own research before believing us” kinda way lmao
Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution
Thank you! That’s hardly a retraction, innit?
It’s not.
But obviously their affirmation is as credible as the tweet. Surprise, surprise, narratives are trying to get the upper spin. The tribes continue. Nothing is learned; nothing is gained. It goes on…
Honestly, if there’s gonna be engravings on bullet cases, I’d leave just three words: Change My Mind.
Rearrange My Brain
Damage was done and the anger it put into conservative hearts isnt going away even if they admit it was bullshit. They will justify their anger with some vague comeback and keep on hating
Thank you, mainstream media, for showing how complicit and willing you are to shill any view given by those in power.
Journalism is dead and has been for decades, sadly.
I mean, it’s still pretty good in the free world. There is decay, but it’s not like living in countries like Russia, USA, or China. There’s a reason why Murdoch left Australia.
The screenshotted tweet was wrong, mainstream media was correct.
They were half right. The engravings were anti fascist but had nothing to do at all with trans people. Plus some dumb memes like notices bulge owo
I saw some of those reports. There were entire sentences on these casings according to reports. Are there pictures? Im really struggling to comprehend how much text can fit on a casing
Yeah typical young male college dropout, lives with mom, permanent online, lame meme stuff.
Aimless youth is a dangerous thing. There were a lot of young men in EU that joined ISIS who had a similar background. It just depends on the particular echo chamber as to which radicalization takes effect.
I do want to see how the news is going to explain the phrasing to the mainstream.
Who’s that?
I heard he said “Hilary Clinton sends her regards purple monkey dishwasher” right before he opened fire.
Conservatives have no shame. That’s why the U.S is where it is.
From what I’m seeing:
1 HOUR AGO 10:39 AM EDT Suspect's bullet casings had anti-fascist inscriptions engraved By Danielle Abreu Gov. Cox confirmed that investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle and scope wrapped in a towel and inscriptions engraved on bullet casings belonging to the suspect in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. One of the inscriptions read, "Hey, fascist. Catch!" and another read, “If you read this, you are gay." A third casing had the lyrics to “Bella Ciao," an Italian folk anthem sung by the anti-fascist resistance movement during World War II.Looks like it’s possible. Sidenote, hilarious to me hearing the Utah governor read what sounds like c/196 transcriptions in such an official voice.
Why were there so many casings for all those messages? He only fired one bullet
Multiple bullets in the Mauser’s mag.
Oh they found unspent casings too, I see
Reuters:
The bullet that killed Kirk had also been inscribed: "Notices Buldge OWO what’s this?”
Not enough people are talking about this. Makes 0 sense in context but great regardless.
Do you happen to know how? As a layperson this seems like a lot of words to inscribe on a single bullet…
Casings, not bullets. In this image, the casing is the big brass part, and the projectile is the smaller part sticking out the end.
Also notice that 30.06 has a large casing. It’s a big round.
It was the standard infantry round for the US through 2 world wars, and was by far the most popular hunting round for decades. It was replaced by the military with the adoption of the 7.62 NATO (essentially a .308, but there’s more to it than that) with the move to standardization between the allies, and that was replaced as the standard round by the 5.56/.223 with the move to lower caliber, and now this new Sig whatever.
It’s a little outmoded these days and lots of manufacturers have moved on to more modern ammo for hunting and precision shooting, but it remains popular simply because of how ubiquitous it was.
Me when I’m a white Utahn Mormon boy and I google antifascist slogans so I can pretend to be a leftist
I mean those are definitely anti-fascist, but I don’t see a damn thing that could be interpreted as transgender.
In the video the Utah Gov. also says “Spots bulge, OwO” or something like that, idk why they left it out in the text I copied.
But yeah still not technically transgender, just whatever “uwu shit” is called (back in my day we spoke 1337, idk the name of this new tongue.)
I think that’d probably be called weeb / weeaboo talk.
Look out weebs, Fox News is about to make you public enemy number one for MAGAts.
OwO is just an emoticon, we had those back on dialup too :-)
They left out the best part of the “Hey, fascist. Catch!” one
It was followed with ↑→↓↓↓
Ahh, I love the smell of a nice cup of liber-tea.
Reuters reports the same (1)
Regressives feel no shame. People without empathy don’t feel shame. They do promote and support hate.
This was too stupid to be true, yet they ran with it. The MSM is dying, from self-inflicted wounds.
Pretty sure false headlines like this actually increase engagement, and the retraction increases engagement again. They are optimally playing the capitalism game, not dying.
Agreed. We’ve turned into the headline mattering more than the content.
Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Lemmy, etc., there’s comments everywhere “did you even read the article?” We’re looking for the fastest confirmation bias and it’s easy when it’s the title.
Fox News and OAN will run with the transgender headline and be quiet at the redaction, the damage is done.
What people are slow to realize is how well the Trump administration is playing this game. The headlines about Trump suing over the 2020 election is all they wanted, people tend to give validity to something that’s at the courts, regardless of the verdict.
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Publish BS that one side of the political aisle wants to hear & they eat it up.
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Publish article calling out the first story’s BS, and get those on the other side of the political aisle eating it up.
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Profit!
EDIT: fixed “aisle” thanks to @imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works. I know that’s the correct word, but I dunno why I didn’t think of it when writing this initially. I think my brain’s slowly turning to mush as I age.
sigh
Aisle
You will what?
Great strategy for when consequences are none
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Release the Epstein files.
Rumour has it the Epstein files are scrawled with transgender ideology, only one way to know for true.
Well pedo-prez is certainly enjoying a break from this right now. Once again, and for the last time, Charlie has been his useful idiot.
He says that as if it’s not extremely common these days for preliminary, unconfirmed information to spread like wildfire, among everyone. The half-life of news in the public consciousness has grown so short that it’s common for public attention to event X to have basically already dwindled to nothing, by the time all of the confirmation/debunking has happened.
Hell, I still encounter people, once in a while, who think Kyle Rittenhouse targeted and shot black people, all these years later, which was one of the very first things claimed about the Kenosha shooting after it happened, and was officially debunked almost immediately.
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Hey, moron, go fuck yourself you nazi bitch.
Nah burden of proof is on you champ.
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Source?
Conservatives are incapable of being shamed. They elected a pedophile and convicted felon who put together the least qualified government in history, and cheered when a South African Nazi threw out Nazi salutes behind the podium of the president. If none of that could make them feel ashamed, then falsely blaming the shooting on their current greatest enemy, trans people, has no chance.
With radical politcal groups, this is a feature not a bug. By going along with obvious bullshit, you prove your loyalty to the tribe.
Is that also why people here celebrate violence over dialogue?
I am still wondering about the anti-facist part. Like, did they allegedly just say the words anti-facist on them or did they relate to something Kirk said and the news just inadvertedly ousted Kirk as facist?
Reuters reports: (1)
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“If you read this, you are gay, lmao.”
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“Hey fascist! Catch!”
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“Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Ciao, Ciao.”
As engravings.
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I watched part of the press conference, and they said one of the bullet casings had “Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao” written on it, and another had something like “catch this, fascist” on it. Another said “notices bulges OWO”, and another said “if you’re reading this, you’re gay”. Or something like those, I only heard the guy read it once
In my unprofessional opinion, it sounds like the shooter was involved in online radical spaces, but hard to discern exactly what his motive was rn
EDIT: reporting from The Guardian - ‘On one of three unfired casings read “hey fascist! Catch!”, a second read “oh bella ciao” and a third one read: “If you read this, you are gay, LMAO”.’
These sayings sound like something off of 4chan
He seemingly once dressed up as a Pepe meme for Halloween
The only connection to pepe is his mom saying “Tyler is some guy from a meme”. Which is a very ‘i don’t get it but ok’ type comment. Pretty sure he’s just a gopnik, you can find a pepe version of anything.
That’s a gopnik. Both Pepe and Tyler here are dressed and crouching as a gopnik, someone of the gopnik subculture.
I will be honest, that is not a subculture I’ve ever heard of before. Good to know, though, thanks!
Or lemmy let’s be honest - there’s a lot of that here too
it sounds like the shooter was involved in online radical spaces
Yea, sounds like typical young male, college dropout, lives with mom and spends most of the time online, behaviour.
Aimless youth is a dangerous thing.
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i read elsewhere that the “hey fascist! Catch!” one also had the code for the 500kg bomb from helldivers
Knowing how tortured some of these conspiracy ‘connections’ get, they’ll probably try to spin the letter A in a normal typeface as being an anarchist symbol or something
EDIT: Possibly vindicated by the manufacturers stamp being interpreted as Trans ideology.
