Start speaking a dead language. Or just use genz language. Can you skibidi that for me?
Ah, here we have the sigma rizzler, frfr no cap.
I am old and have no idea what tf you just said. We need to just use Gen Z as live encryption devices. They could make a whole industry out of it and be like those “windtalkers” (was that the name?) from WW2.
Signal with proxy with all my contacts, no other way
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The problem with mesh networking as a means of evading government censorship is that radio transmissions can be localized rather trivially. Meshtastic might have a use case for evading corporate censorship, or providing some kind of service in remote areas… but if a given government wants to ban unmonitored communications in general, then every node in the network is a beacon that local law enforcement can find and shut down. If your government is going into the sort of full repression that a Level 4 ban implies, then that sort of encrypted RF transmission amounts to a public signal that says “I’m breaking the law right now at this location”, and anyone enforcing said ban can use that signal to physically track you down. (See also the related problem of finding a drone’s operator, which is very doable.)
No, as a matter of both historical fact and current best practices, what’s left after Level 4 is the sneakernet. If you want to share data that your government doesn’t want shared, do it in person, ideally on miniature devices that are easier to smuggle. That’s the only real data access that exists in North Korea, but it exists nonetheless.
Level 4 encryption doesn’t exist. But Jamming does.
I think jamming all radio everywhere would be kinda difficult, but im not an expert in this. I just said it cuz many governments, when they want to censor everything, they disable all internet going out the country. Also i find the idea cool 😅.
As for encryption, i think if you can learn to set up meshtastic, then it should be trivial to also add encryption to it.
Flood all communication channels with constant AI bullshit.
Ok, let’s roll with it. Gov manages to ban all encrypted communication, The only logical conclusion would be that all communication has been banned, since you can always easily agree with your correspondant about an encryption. No communication means, no telephone, no mails, no internet, no speaking, no sign language, I guess paper is banned too, no pencil, no way to write anything…
Hmm, I guess the gov managed to get us back to living in cave then, and managed to erase everybody’s memory of technology too.
My gameplan is then the following, get a big stick to defend my cave with my local community, growing food, chill and enjoy life until I die from a disease.
Probably best investment now would be a ton of thumb drives. Thumbernet will be big.
We used to call that the “Sneaker Network”
I prefer SMARTernet.
That was a wild URL preview…
ROFL
Would switch to self-hosted matrix and persuade as many family members and friends to do the same, using my server if they want.
Keep… using it? How are they going to enforce this?
Worst case scenario, and they somehow manage to remove access to every encrypted chat application in every store (including f-droid) and every repos of every distribution everywhere; and shut down every server in my country; and get telecoms to block every port of every secure chat client; I’ve got VPSes outside my country, and VPN configured. I’d probably build my own encrypted chat - centralized server hosted on my VPS - with PK E2E encryption.
For a big, public chat app, the bar is higher. For my family and friends, something I hacked together would be good enough. As long as encryption is done in the client, hiding metadata (who’s talking to who) isn’t important for my use (we’re all family & friends). Chat is the most trivial of applications to build; it only starts getting complex when you want it to be serverless, or anonymous, or have PFS. Securing popular servers (attractive targets) makes things harder; being popular makes things harder.
Probably find ways to buy all the advertising profile data I can, sort through it until I find some related to the fools that voted for that, and give it to spammers.
The people that make these laws often have zero idea how anything works beyond “the lobbyist said do this, so I do this.” So they should be educated about their poor decisions.
Get all my money out of the bank in physical and keep living. Since encryption is dead, internet commerce is dead and keeping any sort of money in digital is now unsecured.
That would be really funny if a bunch of other people realized it at the same time
Oh yeah I was looking from the sidelines back when something like that happened in Argentina with the banks trying to freeze draw-outs. Fun times.
pgp pigeon mail
many people in the comments say that they’d keep using the banned apps, which is a fair thing to say since we said that they’re banned not blocked.
however, i would a assume that banned encryption eventually means blocked encryption. as is the case in russia where matrix and simpleX are blocked too https://merlinux.eu/press/2025-05-14-russia-deltachat.pdf
now, blocked servers can be accessed via vpn as many people pointed out, but a government that really wants to crack down on encryption would use deep packet inspection like the uae. this allows detection and blocking of vpns too, as long as they’re well known enough, just like with the encrypted chat servers. so, vanilla wireguard may be blocked, but the latest obfuscated wireguard mod may not.
with all that in mind, encrypted communication would probably be a constant cat and mouse game, unless everyone built their own very tiny encrypted communication. if the variety was large enough, it would probably be too resource intensive to block it all, but it would also be very resource intensive for everyone trying communicate. also, not everyone is a programmer, capable of creating their own encrypted messaging.
i’d be really curious what people would do unter the described, very restricted circumstances that partially exist in some places of the world. i don’t really have an answer yet.
The only reason the UAE and other nations you’re referring to have success in their ban campaigns is because they have steep consequences for breaking the law by bypassing government restrictions - that is, assuming you’re just some random citizen and not a connected Sheik or family member or political/church leader. They have public whipping, amputation, and death by firing squad (UAE) / decapitation (Saudi Arabia) in the long list of draconian punishments available to their judiciary, and they are known for making examples of people.
What makes you think the UAE uses deep packet inspection on their entire outbound Internet links? That would be very expensive computationally, latency-wise, and of course in hardware and power costs. More likely they just have a team that tracks commercial VPN services server IP addresses and adds them to a block-list. Much cheaper and 99% as effective.
i thought i had read that, but i may well be wrong. might look it up later, but either way thanks a lot for the additional context. you’re very right
The government banned pirating media. That hasn’t exactly stopped the tech savvy from doing it anyway.
hasn’t even stopped the non-tech savvy lmao
Use them illegally.
I have the knowledge to get around their bullshit and do it the hard way.
