ICE Is Deporting People to Africa on Nearly Un-Trackable Military Flights
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Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is deporting people to African countries like Ghana on military flights that are nearly un-trackable.
  • TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca
    15·
    2 months ago

    Jesus f-ing Christ, it’s like inverse-slavery and America having decided to be the slave sellers this time around. Literally negotiating to work people from previously active workforces to countries they have no ties and a paper agreement of their guilt that allows them to be manhandled like slaves on the industrial scale.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
    361·
    2 months ago

    You know, the Nazis did the same with wasting valuable military resources transporting considered undesirables to be imprisoned and killed, even though they were in the middle of a war, and the logistics were badly needed to transport supply and reinforcements to the front lines. I always say fascists will always fall because they are running on emotions. So much for “facts don’t care about feelings” from MAGAts.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      2 months ago

      This isn’t really true. Generally, the Nazis were running trains eastward with supplies for their troops in Russia. The trains filled with victims for the camps would have otherwise returned empty. The same logistical situation is why so many POWs captured by the Allies in Europe and North Africa were brought back to the United States for incarceration.

      As far as the expense of the Holocaust was concerned, the death camp Treblinka is pretty instructive. Treblinka operated for a period of 18 months, during which approximately 900,000 people were killed by the exhaust from a single salvaged tank engine. The camp was staffed at any one time by about 25 German officers and soldiers and 100 local civilian workers. Treblinka was an utterly trivial fraction of Germany’s overall war effort, and yet it killed a million people.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 months ago

        The difference though is that the Allies could spare more resources, while the Axis can’t. German rail lines also keep getting sabotaged and the blockade and air bombing kept the resources to fix them being disrupted or destroyed. The Allies didn’t have such issues on their end. The German trains coming from the Eastern front could have loaded up more wounded but even so, I imagine they would have more limited available train freight because of destruction.

        The anti-partisan action by the Axis also took up so much manpower that could have otherwise gone to the frontline. Not to mention that the very same people the Germans killed, could have been soldiers themselves on the side of the Axis. Many Ukrainians welcomed the Nazis as liberators and could have helped the Nazis against the Soviet Union, but of course, the Nazis had a different idea. Mussolini’s fascism was mild compared to the Nazis, and he was right that the Hitler’s obsession on race is a waste of time and resources.

        • hector@lemmy.today
          23·
          2 months ago

          Once America got involved it was over for Germany. There is no scenario where Germany could have won with the US involved. Just fighting France and England and Russia they absolutely would have won. Could have anyway. How many people did the Russians sacrifice to get rid of the Germans, 17 million? Guys behind the lines to shoot anybody that Retreats from their position for any reason.

          • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
            4·
            2 months ago

            Guys behind the lines to shoot anybody that Retreats from their position for any reason.

            That’s not what the purpose of blocking brigades was. Casualty rates were roughly similar between Germany and the USSR, if you don’t include civilians.

            There’s a lot of fictions made up by nazis about the eastern front that western historians took seriously until the Soviet archives from the time were made public, that we still see in Hollywood and pop culture, like machine-gunning their own troops, sending soldiers without weapons, and human-wave “tactics”.

            • hector@lemmy.today
              0·
              2 months ago

              That is not a piece of history that has ever been up for debate that I have seen, nor one that the Soviets have tried to hide or Russians have tried to deny. It was trotsky’s idea, and in the Ukraine war they may have dusted it off to some degree.

              So I don’t know where you are getting that from but they absolutely were known for shooting anybody that retreated from their position no matter what the circumstance. They lost 17 million people.

              • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
                2·
                2 months ago

                Why not the wikipedia article? It cites statistics and primary sources.

                Their job was to gather troops from shattered divisions so they could be reformed, and arrest ones who were refusing to fight so they could be tried later.

                • hector@lemmy.today
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Or the hundreds of history books it is written in, I don’t know what your recent iteration of Wikipedia says, But that has been the history, you are the first person I have ever heard challenging it. If that is something that you got off of a recent Wikipedia edit, I would not be surprised there is some new form of revisionism going on.

      • kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        The same logistical situation is why so many POWs captured by the Allies in Europe and North Africa were brought back to the United States

        Well, that and the fact that it completely takes them out of the theater of war. They’re not going to be rescued and released from a camp in the middle of Montana.

        And even if a few do escape, they’re a few days walk from anywhere, and will stick out like a sore thumb if they did encounter a local.

  • DicJacobus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    2 months ago

    notice how they’re sending these planes to countries that barely have an airforce to chase them the fuck away with.

    they’re sending them to places where the local governments wouldnt dare protest.

    • Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 months ago

      I don’t think you get it.

      Those govts are being paid to take those people, you think they are doing this for free? LOL! And why those particular places? While, probably hoping a lot of them just dissappear.

  • Cassanderer@thelemmy.club
    8·
    3 months ago

    Worthless opposition to challenge it too. And judges prevented from issuing Nationwide injunctions from systematic betrayals of Law and Constitution.

    Leaving everyone defacto vulnerable, Constitution or no, because they can be prevented from filing a case, or it being heard.

    People voted for deportations of illegals, not to send illegal immigrants to foreign prisons for life without charge. But we have no lawmakers that will make an effective public case against this

    • Typhoon@lemmy.ca
      3·
      2 months ago

      Lawmakers are representatives of the people. The people are where the power lies, and where the will to change things has to come from. The American people need to stop waiting for someone else to stop this.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      21·
      2 months ago

      People voted for deportations of illegals, not to send illegal immigrants to foreign prisons for life without charge. But we have no lawmakers that will make an effective public case against this

      Lets not fool ourselves. This is exactly what they wanted and voted for.

      • Cassanderer@thelemmy.club
        1·
        2 months ago

        People absolutely do not support exporting people to concentration camps overseas without charge to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

  • shiroininja@lemmy.world
    76·
    3 months ago

    I guarantee the conditions at these African camps will be inhumane and murderous. They’re located in places already rife with conflict and cruelty. Places like Sudan, etc. It’s the point, to offshore human rights violations. Sounds familiar

  • BanMe@lemmy.world
    61·
    2 months ago

    The military flights cost up to $28k an hour, but it’s OK, he’s putting this all on your national debt, his giant credit card.

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
          2·
          2 months ago

          Here is the thing I don’t understand, Fuck Trump but also as a leftist I think it is a great step of honesty to rename the Department of Defense to the Department of War. I mean, yes Trump is doing it because he WANTS to embrace the military industrial complex even more but that doesn’t change the fact that the name change fits the department a lot better than the old name shrugs.

          • Dasus@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            Oh yeah, it’s less hypocritical.

            But perhaps we’d rather it was named and acted like DoD, instead of being named DoD and acting like DoW.

            • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
              3·
              2 months ago

              I agree I guess I just feel like naming something a better name mostly just gives liberals and centrists the license to stop paying attention and assume things are great, so yes you are right but I genuinely think the stupidness of this move is ironically productive towards getting the average person in the US to think skeptically to some degree about the military industrial complex’s motivations and how they relate to our wellbeing…

  • LillyPip@lemmy.caEnglish
    172·
    2 months ago

    At some point, other countries will stop taking these extrajudicial deportations, and guess what happens then?

    (*Spoiler: Hitler did this until other countries started refusing all the deportations. Only then did he start gassing people. This is stage 1.)

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
      15·
      2 months ago

      At some point, other countries will stop taking these extrajudicial deportations

      Yeah, no. They are being paid to accept these people and they intend to do absolutely nothing with them. just dump them out there and say “good luck”.

      • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        I think that when the American dollar becomes useless, these countries will be accepting the trafficked as slaves. …If they aren’t already. No decent person would send over 500 children to be disappeared.

  • njm1314@lemmy.world
    891·
    3 months ago

    Slaves.

    Don’t kid yourself these people are being sold as slaves. That’s why they’re being sent to these countries. We are selling slaves.