1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
That’s a vibration collar with an airbag next to it. He’s demonstrating the functionality of the collar on stream right now and showing it light up and vibrate.
Is there a way I can get this whole stream? I’m on twitch right now, interested to see his explanations, but I am curious to see the actual collar also. But I can’t see how to rewind. Maybe I am just dense.
I would assume that a vibration collar is also a shock collar. Again maybe I’m wrong but I have not heard of a “vibration collar only.”
Edit: Okay, I see it, they do exist as a non-shock option. He is saying that he didn’t shock her, but she does have a vibration collar on. He was reaching off screen for his ZinTins (?), not for a remote.
Edit2: Okay, I see, I’m scanning through to see the actual collar rn.
Vibration only collars are pretty common for training. You can see the current stream vod by going to his stream profile and looking at videos, the latest one (“1 hour ago”) is usually the current stream and will have anything up to around 5-10 minutes ago or so. Just skip to 45:30 and you’ll see the collar. Shock collars need to have prongs like an inch long to reach through fur. He’s holding the back of it with his thumb flat against it and there are no prongs. Shockers used for kink are also just repurposed dog collars, as the one I have has prongs and a spacer the company added since humans don’t have fur. What he showed definitely doesn’t have shocker prongs.
Also, if all vibration collars were also shock collars, then what would people who don’t want to shock their dogs buy?
Do you have a timestamp for showing the collar? I’m looking at this:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2586575954
It is borderline unbearable to just keep scanning through this stream. He has literally spent half an hour now just whining about how unreasonable it is that people are concerned about this and talking down about how people aren’t as qualified as he is about dogs.
Edit: 34:21 “… to go out on the trail or whatever, there are going to be instances where you can yell for her to come back, to do recall, but because she’s so far away, she can’t hear you. Okay? That’s where the vibration collar comes in.” I’m not a pro dog traininer but that sounds like the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard.
37:04: “A shock collar is… like if you’ve ever used a TENS machine, it feels like ants. It’s a TENS machine. That’s what the sensation feels like. Okay? But it doesn’t even matter, because that’s not what she was, uh… that’s not, like I don’t have that anyway.”
Okay that’s about as much as I can stand. Mr. Kettle Logic is completely wrong. My sister has shocked herself with a shock collar to test for her dog when they got one of those invisible fences, and it hurts like hell. It’s not like ants, otherwise it wouldn’t do a damn thing. I’m not an expert in a lot of these things but I can confidently say that he is using this authoritative tone of voice to spout at least a certain amount of absolute horseshit.
If you want to give me the timestamp of when he shows this allegedly-the-same-collar-as-before collar, then sure, I’m a little bit curious I guess, but I’m pretty much done wanting to look into this at this point again for today.
I literally just replied to you with it. Also do a search on Amazon for vibration collar. Plenty of no-shock vibration collars out there.
Yeah, I saw. Thanks for the timestamp. He was extremely cagey about putting the collar clearly on stream (he was sort of cradling it in his hand and briefly waving it around and then putting it back down off stream again). Also it’s weird that he apparently has the remote just sitting on his desk in front of him to demo the vibration feature the instant that someone asks about it. I have to say though it does look a little bit exculpatory (he at least does own a vibration-only collar), but also, the collar she was wearing when she made the yelping noise had the airtag on her right side, and I couldn’t see a big chunky piece, whereas the collar in my “record scratch” YouTube video and the one he’s showing on stream today have the airtag on her left side and a clear chunky piece. Usually people tend to put their dog’s collars on in the same alignment every day (and why would she even be wearing the vibration collar to be just sitting there on stream?).
It’s kind of inconclusive to be honest after watching this (and still sus to me that he keeps emphasizing that she has multiple collars, and saying things that are not true about training collars in general). I still am inclined to go with my first read of the whole situation. I do appreciate being able to see his counter argument that he’s at least somewhat addressing the allegations instead of just getting all emotional about it and saying his enemies are clearly bullying him for no reason (although he does do that also yes).