1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
I think its far more likely that its a gps collar
Think about it this way, for years hasans invited a wide variety of people to come be part of his stream. Now, I’ve met some real pieces of shit in my life that absolutely wouldn’t stand for a dog having a shock collar. Surely someone, anyone would have asked about it? Called him out on stream or in a tweet? Most I’ve seen is a clip (this one specifically) of some person saying the collar was too tight, which is a concern but something very easily remedied and was certainly unintentional.
The dog looks well fed, well groomed, he shows the dog off during streams all the time. I just don’t buy the story here.
It blows my mind that you guys can’t watch these streams and read the emotional cues on display there (Hasan’s and the dog’s).
Tribalism is a hell of a drug, I guess. If seeing it directly will not change your mind, then it seems unlikely that anything I say is going to.
(You need to tell the Hasan sub on reddit about your theory. They’re saying it’s obviously an AirTag collar, and being incredibly condescending about how stupid the people are who can’t see that, and also that she obviously did some specific thing to hurt herself and that’s why she yelped. Again: Nothing I can say is going to be impactful if seeing the video directly and how angry he gets at the dog for simply existing or having a neck doesn’t impact how you look at this guy.)
Careful, if you keep reaching like this you’ll pull something
Gotcha. What kind of AirTag collar has a little flashing green light on the back again?
The kind with a power indicator light? A lot of electronic devices have them so you can easily tell with a glance whether it needs to be recharged or not, and a GPS tracking collar with a dead battery isn’t very useful so that would make a whole lot more sense than your entirely baseless hypothesis
Sounds good.
- Why would it need to be an AirTag in a little pocket designed for it (which, I agree with Hasan’s subreddit, that looks like what the white circle is) and also a GPS module which is a big solid box with a battery and a light for the battery indicator? What logic could possibly exist for having both of those things attached to the same dog?
- Is it possible for a dewclaw that’s clearly visible facing the camera to get “clipped” on a platform frame that is behind the leg it is attached to, on the other side?
- What do you think Hasan was going to say, to complete the “Go ba–” statement that he cut himself short on and modified to “Stop!”? What is one possibility for what the rest of that statement could be, and what could he be trying to tell the dog to do?
- What behavior do you think he might have wanted her to “Stop!”?
I’m not asking what the explanation for any of these events is. I’m just asking what one potential possible innocent explanation for any of them could be.
Of course, you’re committed to the bit at this point, so I fully expect that you will do a Karoline Leavitt and redirect away from answering these reasonable questions, or pretend these are crazy things to speculate about and it makes no sense, or just loftily indicate that the time for discussion is past. Go on, knock yourself out.
You have no idea what device(s) are attached to that collar, any assertion to the contrary is bullshit. Even if it were a shock collar those are fairly common in dog training, most people who aren’t PETA-type nutjobs would not consider their responsible use to be inherently abusive
Both paws have dewclaws, they don’t face the same direction, fucking duh, and I can plainly see the dog climbing into the bed in a way where it could get one caught on the fabric
It sounds like he’s annoyed at the dog and scolded it, which happens and is not in any way indicative of abuse. I work remote and I’ve got a 2yo german shepherd who likes to interrupt my client calls by harassing the cats or climbing into my lap or galloping loudly into the room, occasionally I have to raise my voice and make her go lay down even though she clearly would prefer not to. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if his dog were similarly in time-out for shenanigans that occured prior to this very short clip, perfectly normal non-abuse explanation for why he would be annoyed and why the dog would be expected to stay on the bed at least temporarily.
Lol @ “committed to the bit” coming from you, projecting so hard you’re gonna burn the screen babe. You’re clearly looking for any excuse you can find to discredit Hasan, and you’re gonna have to do a lot better than this. For all I know he may be a fucking serial killer but I haven’t seen any proof of it yet, calling this video evidence of animal abuse is only going to damage what little credibility you might have.
Your dog training technique is that the dog is in “time out” for 6-8 hours of streaming and has to stay on her little platform? Because of some unrelated misbehavior off stream?
You don’t want to speculate about what the device next to the AirTag could potentially be. Because who can say, even? Lots of little devices have little flashing lights on them. It is a mystery. Yes, very Karoline, much Leavitt.
Your boy’s a POS. I have no strong preexisting opinions about the guy beyond a vague general positive alignment with his politics, but having now heard his “defenders” try to talk about how he definitely didn’t shock that dog that we all clearly saw him shock because he wanted her to stay on the platform, I have come to the conclusion that whatever he’s pushing must definitely not be a good thing. I hope God has a mean sense of humor, that’s all I can say about it.
If you want to step through the video one frame at a time to see the position of both paws (left one standing meaning the dewclaw’s not in contact with anything, and right one with a shadow clearly indicating the separation between her leg and the metal-not-fabric bar next to it, and also the dewclaw pretty visible I think as a little dark spot on the back side of her leg), you’re welcome to. I started to step through with mpv and grab the specific frames, but I got too annoyed to even continue with it. If you do wind up doing that, make sure you step forward 30 more frames so you can see her heartbreakingly submissive posture, tail down, head crouched low, looking at the ground, and Hasan whipped around in his chair yelling “Stop!” at her.
Buddy, have you never snapped at a pet before? I’m not gonna claim hasan is a saint, but you bet your ass I’ve gotten upset at my dog before, sometimes when maybe I shouldn’t have.
There is a disconnect here between what happened and the response people are having about it. You can say he was mean, sure, I don’t think any of his behavior especially when its a one off thing, constitutes animal abuse though. Not in a legal sense, and not in any consistently applied social sense either.
And I think the reason that there is this disconnect is because several communities primed and ready to hate hasan are willing to pick out anything less than perfect and make mountains out of molehills.
And I think the reason that there is this disconnect is because several communities primed and ready to hate hasan are willing to pick out anything less than perfect and make mountains out of molehills.
I notice this is a really common accusation also.
My reaction is the same as the woman in the clip’s reaction. Take her final facial expression, and that’s my reaction. It has literally 0 to do with anything that some kind of surely equally groupthink-ing community on the “other” side has to say about it.
The problem that woman had was likely addressed in the small period of time hasan and her are finagling with the collar shortly after she brought it up.
Her emotional response is not proof of a shock collar, she never brought up a shock collar, she only said the collar was too tight.
The problem that woman had was likely addressed in the small period of time hasan and her are finagling with the collar shortly after she brought it up.
Why are you convinced that this “likely” happened?
Also, do you have any kind of guess about why Hasan and the people in these comments so consistently use the logic of “well you must be from this other community if you are ‘attacking’ me in this way” and sort of implying that means it must not be true? I mean, I’m not, but I don’t even get why that is an argument for why things in the videos are not what they appear to be.
I’m convinced it likely happened because he was fucking with the collar on stream right after it was brought up and it takes 20 seconds to fix? What the hell kinda question is that?
The reason people respond to you in this way is because the first places this was posted about was in the H3 and Destiny reddit communities, and those communities are known to not be very fond of hasan, and are known to waste their time looking for any tiny bit of wrong doing.
This will be the end of me engaging in this conversation.
The reason people respond to you in this way is because the first places this was posted about were in the H3 and Destiny reddit communities
Again, this just isn’t how I reason. It’s very bizarre to me. Generally the source of the information is pretty irrelevant unless it’s already someone I trust a lot. I look into it, if it makes sense to me, then I start to take it on, but it’s not like “this one is my tribe! Right all the time!” or “This one is the haters! Wrong all the time!” It’s all just people talking on the internet, and you have to scrutinize the actual information.
To me it seems like normal people (here and on reddit /r/all) having a pretty alarmed reaction to seeing these clips, and then Hasan stans relentlessly finding any random reason they possibly can to try to say it’s not a big deal. It’s an airtag collar obviously you moron, and also Hasan said it’s a vibration collar, and she clipped her dewclaw obviously, or he doesn’t actually know what happened anymore because he wasn’t looking, but she hurt herself somehow but that’s not important, anyway she was wearing a vibration collar, but that doesn’t matter because he didn’t vibrate her anyway, and anyway shock collars aren’t a big deal, they’re just like ants crawling on your skin, and anyway this is what all those Hasan haters always say and you’re obviously one of them, because you have this bad thing to say.
It’s just a bunch of nonsense. It literally just sounds like Fox News talking heads trying to justify something Trump did.
Maya especially would not stand for it. If Hasan abused his dog we would never see Maya anywhere near him, let alone be his friend of many years. This is just another smear attempt.
That’s pretty fucked looking, especially that woman’s comments and body language
He seems like a complete asshole, and this is the first time ever hearing of him
Seriously. I have some politics that are more-or-less similar to some of his politics, so I was sort of predisposed to like him, but almost every video I have seen of him makes him look like such a massive childish cunt that I can’t understand why he has a following. Just hearing his voice whenever he gets challenged or corrected on something is like hearing an angle grinder.
That’s an offense to angle grinders.
I find it strange this story seems to be getting so much traction in the media. I first saw it on a Forbes article, and now PETA has made a statement.
Idk if it was a shock collar, vibration collar, or if the dog got a claw stuck or whatever. In the clip, he does seem over-agitated in the moment, and possibly too strict/controlling/micromanaging of his dog (unless he just recently gave the dog a command to stay there before the clip started). But, that’s not really strong evidence of a pattern of animal abuse. Neither is having a collar too tight one time.
Some people think shock collars/e-collars are valid training tools. I don’t, but it seems strange the media is giving so much attention to a couple of clips showing possible questionable dog training/care practices of a Twitch streamer.
My theory is that once it got in the news, the right picked it up and are milking it for all it’s worth to bad mouth the left?
This is pretty much it.
Unfortunately, the left can only blame itself for it.
This would be a non issue if people on the left actually called it out and didn’t just constantly defend this guy. And they could have stepped ahead of the situation by calling it out themselves.
The motto in Hasan’s community seems to essentially be: “No Gods, no masters, yes daddy”; and the rest of the left kind of just looks away.
Unfortunately there is extremism on both side which fucks things up royally.
I would like to form my own opinions without stuff shoved down my throat.
Either way I never liked Hasan much. Used to watch a bunch of Nopixel RP and he hung around who I watched. Mid at best. I remember him saying he would rather get rich with politics than be an obscure role player.
I find it strange this story seems to be getting so much traction in the media. I first saw it on a Forbes article, and now PETA has made a statement.
Honestly, that part is almost certainly because he’s pro-Palestinian, I think.
Oh well dude. This still looks horrible to me. I might tune into his stream at some completely random time, just to look into it and see what kinds of stuff he does when it’s not being cherry picked to be the most easy-to-misconstrue-as-horrible things he’s ever done in a full career of full time streaming, but this is honestly pretty cut and dried to me, and the impossible or self-contradictory things that his fans have been saying to try to justify it are not helping me to see it any different.
Honestly, that part is almost certainly because he’s pro-Palestinian, I think.
So you do understand how and why the hard right streamers and stans have a vested interest in killing his character?
Maybe that was “abuse”, but clearly overblown when you see hardrighters advocating violence on leftists. Hell you even see fascist president deploying the military to oppress their political opponents…
I don’t see the same mob mentality pushing back on them, or pushing back to a litteral elected official boasting about shooting their dogMaybe that was “abuse”, but
It’s a sign of how far we’ve fallen that no one else called you out on this. Abuse is not acceptable, there is no “but”.
Yes it’s not acceptable, if it’s proven true (which is a debate in of itself). Of all the things to get outraged for, this ranks low in my priorities though.
There’s no fucking debate, dude. It sickens me to see so many people try to defend this, and that the dude is so popular in leftist circles. That’s why it should be an outrage. I’m sick of seeing leftists prop up this dude and ignore/defend any bad he does, especially now with animal abuse.
The dog moved out of bed, he got annoyed at her, reached out of screen, and she yelped. Since then people have found other clips of similar stuff happening: his dog staying in the same spot for hours, and when she tries to leave or reposition he reaches out of screen and she goes back. And the remote can even be spotted in some streams before he hides it.
Even if you don’t think shock collars themselves are bad, forcing a dog to stay in such a small place for hours without even a water bowl amounts to abuse. And his constant lies and contradictions show that knows what he is doing is fucked.
All of these streamers suck anyway. I don’t care about their personal life but I care about the views they are peddling and the impact their word has on their communities.
The Right streaming sphere also has a few despicable characters, but I don’t see the same witch hunt for them as for Hasan. iirc some also have abused animals if that’s your specific trigger.
This is simply identity politics and why political discourse is untenable nowadays.For the dog part, I think it’s horrible to use a shock collar, and on the same level, police dogs and horses are also abused in the same way. Western culture sees eating dog meat as immoral, but some see eating any animal as immoral. Everybody has their own moral compass for this and I don’t go policing others for their views.
In answer to what you’re saying, firstly, I find it fucked up to call it identity politics. People don’t want animals to be abused, and so they call it out and post about it like they do for other news.
Anyway, I’m a leftist. I don’t really consume right wing media and I don’t engage with those communities. And as a leftist it hurts me to see other leftists give a pass to someone like Hasan because it’s just giving ammo to people on the right, and when it’s such a large community it can make a big stain and push new people out. Not to mention no one should be given a pass. Like, Hasan fans will literally bend over backwards to defend it and act like a cult. Dude has already made several excuses and finally landed on “she wasn’t even wearing a collar”, even though you can see it in the vod; but if you post screenshots his fans will say it’s photoshopped. I’m not good enough with words to convey my feelings on this phenomenon and my distaste for those people. There’s more to mention, but this comment is large enough.
Finally, in answer to your last paragraph, it’s a fair point in general, but in my case I’m a vegan.
If there’s one way to get me to question a side, is by getting PETA on your side.
Weird that a dog has anything to do with him being right about a genocidal fascist government.
IDF nazis have no ammunition left in the court of public opinion.
Wow, Hasan’s dedicated hate subreddit that constantly falsely smears him, is now saying he is abusing his dog.
Shocking.
Meanwhile, the leader of these brigades is literally currently in court for being a PDF file.
If only we could look for ourselves and see what actually happened frame by frame, instead of having to rely on personalities and the source or authority in order to make sense of what had happened.
So when he says, “Kaya! Please!”, what misbehavior do you think he’s upset about? He brags about how well-trained this dog is (as, somehow, a defense against people saying that he is abusing her), so clearly she knows exactly what the boundary is that she just crossed with her behavior and he’s just helping to reinforce it. So what did she do?
I looked for myself and I still think you’re reaching
What misbehavior do you think he’s upset about? Or what misbehavior could he be upset about? I won’t ask you to read his mind, just asking for what a reasonable explanation could be about what she did that caused him to yell at her and then get all exasperated and sigh, like she’s a lost cause as a dog and he can’t even.
It sounds like he’s annoyed at the dog and scolded it, which happens and is not in any way indicative of abuse. I work remote and I’ve got a 2yo german shepherd who likes to interrupt my client calls by harassing the cats or climbing into my lap or galloping loudly into the room, occasionally I have to raise my voice and make her go lay down in her time-out corner even though she clearly would prefer not to. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if his dog were similarly in time-out for shenanigans that occured prior to this very short clip, perfectly normal non-abuse explanation for why he would be annoyed and why the dog would be expected to stay on the bed at least temporarily.
The word you’re looking for is pedophile
No, it’s “child molester.” Actual pedophiles don’t usually assault children. People who assault children are rarely people who are sexually attracted to children. Usually it’s one of your own fucked up family members who is acting out their own fucked up trauma. Rape is never really about sex, regardless of the victim.
Hasan has always been a total narcissist. His leftist positions are pure coincidence, since he’s utterly unreflective and philosophically illiterate. That he’s not a right-wing grifter is a flip of the coin.
Honestly that makes a certain amount of sense. The way he instantly “knows the answer” to whatever world event just happened and the reasons, and it always happens to be the most convenient ideological matchup with his particular tribe and whatever would be best for them and then he gets angry and calls someone stupid if they ever try to say that something different happened, is very much the sign of someone who didn’t really reason their way into the positions they have, just wants to pick a side and have shock-value and make soundbites aligned with that side.
Cool story
Y’all are just making shit up. There is a smear campaign against him from other streamers and maga and pro Israel fucks. Fucking dumbasses live on a different plane of reality.
Why did he scream at doggo just for moving (in the original video) ? That in itself sucks. Also he initially said no there was no collar then 12hrs later said there was a collar and showed it with the prongs removed and taped.
I could care less one way or the other about a nopixel rp streamer gone political. But it sure seems sus in the least.
Here’s a post with him talking to his dog trainer about electric collars. Y’all can decide for yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1o1ph16/hasans_dog_trainer_acknowledges_that_he_and_hasan/
Go vegan, hypocrite
If you could care less then you do care at least a bit in the first place.
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Wow. No need for name calling. Nor do I see what being rough has anything to do with the situation.
The tightness of the collar and his reaction to her saying is sus, especially if he didn’t fix it. I’m guessing he did or you or the video would mention it…, but really? a shock collar? This video doesn’t show anything like what you’ve described. All I could tell was that the dog yapped at one point and… that’s it… Admittedly I have zero experience with shock collars. If this is a regular thing he does then surely there’s more than one example?
The dog reacts the moment he reaches for something that he only reached for after first seeing the dog up and moving. It could be coincidence, or he could have activated a shock collar.
I’m guessing he did or you or the video would mention it
Why would you assume that? I have no idea. I would be fine trying to dig up the rest of the clip to see context, although I don’t know if I would succeed. Given his reaction I would be pretty surprised if he fixed it.
This video doesn’t show anything like what you’ve described. All I could tell was that the dog yapped at one point and… that’s it…
You can literally see the shock collar box on her at 0:13 when she turns away to go back to the platform. He also claims that she “clipped herself”, when he wasn’t looking at her and would have no idea why she suddenly gave a big sharp yelp right at the same moment when he reached for something off screen.
If he was telling the truth, he would say “I have no idea why she made that noise, she’s a big baby” or something. That is literally the only explanation that he would have that even could be truthful. The fact that he even has an explanation for what happened that made her yelp means he is lying.
People on Reddit have also slowed down and brightened the footage, and it’s very clear that she didn’t bump herself or anything on any object, that just suddenly out of nowhere she made this sudden yelping noise and also changed her mind about wanting to get off the little platform and go walk around.
You can draw your own conclusions of course but I am not sure why people could see this and come to any other conclusion.
The reason I assumed that is because there are a lot of false narratives spun around this guy, so if there was more to show by his haters they would have shown it. I believe you for now, but I will look at this further. Part of why I doubted your claim is that Turkish people are really nice to cats and dogs, but that is a generalization, of course.
Personally, I take issue with his cursing people out. Turkish is the best language for cursing, but a lot of the terms depend on ableism or anthrocentrism ( I think it’s called that.) The ableism comes up when he just dismisses someone and their arguments. I pointed out to him he’s using the term “psychotic” wrong and that he’s thinking of “psychopathy”. I thought mainly to correct his English. I’m a triple immigrant. I’ve had to tutor so many people in English with no pay that I both hate it and do it instinctually. Regardless, the mods jumped on me even though he agreed. He learned the definition of the terms, it seems, but I think armchair diagnosing people with mental illness to dismiss them while saying you’re there to educate has plenty wrong about it. Calling someone a donkey cause they’re being stupid, for example, makes no sense to me. Donkeys are quite smart. Also, he let himself get distracted by Charlie Kirk’s very deserved assassination, and by doing so let the media attention turn away from Palestinians being genocided. I cannot, however, say whether his good deeds outdo the bad so that he’s a net positive or negative for the world. Good and bad deeds don’t necessarily cancel each other out, and I think evil is more likely to undo good than is the other way around. Such is the nature of creation and destruction.
I want to limit how much I think about each individual political influencer, so I apologize if I don’t continue this conversation
Okay I thought about this, looked into it, scanned your clip some more, and unless there’s more instances of something like this happening, this is a one huge nothing-burger. If there was more evidence you would have provided more evidence. There’s absolutely nothing conclusive in this video.
Also … priorities … Why are you outraged about this specifically? There are plenty of animals including humans being abused off camera out there by non-celebrities. Venting online is one thing, but your account seems primarily dedicated to this subject.
I still despise the notion of political influencers, but this is what upsets you? Really? There is too much ragebait – real or not – on the internet for it to make sense to me that this would be what you care about. Does all suffering need to be: specifically on camera; solely with an animal you selectively empathize with; and exclusively that of the one leftist influencer I’ve ever seen mentioned in corporate owned media?
No, I refuse to let this matter take up any of my headspace. Maybe I will donate to a local animal shelter instead. Use my energy for that.
I still despise the notion of political influencers, but this is what upsets you? Really?
It’s a perfect storm of things for me to get irritated about: Politics, plus someone being mean to some other entity that can’t fight back, plus people in internet comments saying things to me that are objectively wrong. It’s like a flag to a bull.
What a hypocrite. In the end this isn’t some kind of moral, principled stand, it’s just autism.
So, literally, your argument is that the dog made a noise and he got annoyed by it and doesn’t know what happened at some place he wasn’t looking at?
The only thing you can clearly see at 0:13 is that the collar is adjustable.
Edit: You can also see a green light on the back of it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbzsW86X4qA&t=9286s a couple seconds after the start of the video. Also, keep watching. Dude is a fucking psychopath. It’s weird to me that people can watch these clips and not see it.
That’s a vibration collar with an airbag next to it. He’s demonstrating the functionality of the collar on stream right now and showing it light up and vibrate.
Is there a way I can get this whole stream? I’m on twitch right now, interested to see his explanations, but I am curious to see the actual collar also. But I can’t see how to rewind. Maybe I am just dense.
I would assume that a vibration collar is also a shock collar. Again maybe I’m wrong but I have not heard of a “vibration collar only.”
Edit: Okay, I see it, they do exist as a non-shock option. He is saying that he didn’t shock her, but she does have a vibration collar on. He was reaching off screen for his ZinTins (?), not for a remote.
Edit2: Okay, I see, I’m scanning through to see the actual collar rn.
Vibration only collars are pretty common for training. You can see the current stream vod by going to his stream profile and looking at videos, the latest one (“1 hour ago”) is usually the current stream and will have anything up to around 5-10 minutes ago or so. Just skip to 45:30 and you’ll see the collar. Shock collars need to have prongs like an inch long to reach through fur. He’s holding the back of it with his thumb flat against it and there are no prongs. Shockers used for kink are also just repurposed dog collars, as the one I have has prongs and a spacer the company added since humans don’t have fur. What he showed definitely doesn’t have shocker prongs.
Also, if all vibration collars were also shock collars, then what would people who don’t want to shock their dogs buy?
Do you have a timestamp for showing the collar? I’m looking at this:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2586575954
It is borderline unbearable to just keep scanning through this stream. He has literally spent half an hour now just whining about how unreasonable it is that people are concerned about this and talking down about how people aren’t as qualified as he is about dogs.
Edit: 34:21 “… to go out on the trail or whatever, there are going to be instances where you can yell for her to come back, to do recall, but because she’s so far away, she can’t hear you. Okay? That’s where the vibration collar comes in.” I’m not a pro dog traininer but that sounds like the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard.
37:04: “A shock collar is… like if you’ve ever used a TENS machine, it feels like ants. It’s a TENS machine. That’s what the sensation feels like. Okay? But it doesn’t even matter, because that’s not what she was, uh… that’s not, like I don’t have that anyway.”
Okay that’s about as much as I can stand. Mr. Kettle Logic is completely wrong. My sister has shocked herself with a shock collar to test for her dog when they got one of those invisible fences, and it hurts like hell. It’s not like ants, otherwise it wouldn’t do a damn thing. I’m not an expert in a lot of these things but I can confidently say that he is using this authoritative tone of voice to spout at least a certain amount of absolute horseshit.
If you want to give me the timestamp of when he shows this allegedly-the-same-collar-as-before collar, then sure, I’m a little bit curious I guess, but I’m pretty much done wanting to look into this at this point again for today.
I literally just replied to you with it. Also do a search on Amazon for vibration collar. Plenty of no-shock vibration collars out there.
Yeah, I saw. Thanks for the timestamp. He was extremely cagey about putting the collar clearly on stream (he was sort of cradling it in his hand and briefly waving it around and then putting it back down off stream again). Also it’s weird that he apparently has the remote just sitting on his desk in front of him to demo the vibration feature the instant that someone asks about it. I have to say though it does look a little bit exculpatory (he at least does own a vibration-only collar), but also, the collar she was wearing when she made the yelping noise had the airtag on her right side, and I couldn’t see a big chunky piece, whereas the collar in my “record scratch” YouTube video and the one he’s showing on stream today have the airtag on her left side and a clear chunky piece. Usually people tend to put their dog’s collars on in the same alignment every day (and why would she even be wearing the vibration collar to be just sitting there on stream?).
It’s kind of inconclusive to be honest after watching this (and still sus to me that he keeps emphasizing that she has multiple collars, and saying things that are not true about training collars in general). I still am inclined to go with my first read of the whole situation. I do appreciate being able to see his counter argument that he’s at least somewhat addressing the allegations instead of just getting all emotional about it and saying his enemies are clearly bullying him for no reason (although he does do that also yes).
That image seems to not be on the video at all.
The point is that there’s a box on the collar?
Yes. The point is that there’s a box that’s on the collar. There are no collars that come with big boxes with lights attached to them, that are not shock collars.
I mean you can either see this stuff, or you can’t. Obviously you can’t. Watch the YouTube video in my edit, and if after you reach the point where Hasan makes a little self-satisfied grunt after she climbs sadly back onto her designated platform after he mean-mugs her, you want to still tell me he is a non abusive dog owner, then sure, you’re welcome to your mistaken opinion about it I guess.
There are no collars that come with big boxes with lights attached to them, that are not shock collars.
Did you forget that GPS collars exist?
This is the first time I’ve ever heard the claim that Kaya wears a shock collar and the first time I’ve ever seen her yip like that. What I have seen is Hasan picking Kaya up to cuddle her because she’s a big baby, Hasan reaching over to check his phone when he gets a notification, and Kaya roaming freely when she wants and often choosing to lie on her little bed in the stream room.
It seems very unlikely that this is a shock collar that Hasan uses the second Kaya gets up to stretch.
Did you watch my YouTube video with the mean mugging?
Also dogs will show through their body language when they’re afraid of someone or something they’re doing. There is no tucked tail, there is no head bowing, there is no averting eye contact.
People should find something to do with their lives than be a part of this culture that revolves around random people whose job it is to talk into a mic on stream.
Don’t care one way or the other about the streamer but this is some wild shit to be so upset about. Guy in heated political rant looks at dog and dog yelps. Uh… OK? There’s real, genuinely vile animal abuse in the world and we need to get riled up over this well groomed and pampered dog yelping because it might have gotten shocked.
Even if we choose to break it down like the Zapruder film and find a shock collar what does that mean? Is the mere existence of a shock collar on a dog evidence of animal abuse? Is there real proof that it was used in this clip? Would irrefutable evidence of one shock completely demolish this man’s credibility? If you care because he’s a public figure that could be normalizing abusive behavior then why don’t you repost some headlines about that Maga lady shooting dogs in her back yard or any of the dog fighting stories that pop up from time to time?
I’d guess people who are upset about shock collars are also upset about dogs getting shot
They don’t actually give a shit about the dog or the validity of the accusations, they’re just interested in attacking the streamer. Just as parasocial and deranged as any rabid fan, just from a different emotional direction.
Bingo
Never heard of this guy but he sounds fucking evil. I hope the dog’s life improves substantially after this
It seems unlikely tbh ☹️
Kaia wasn’t even making any noise over the mic, she just took a few steps. What a dick.
When you’re filming there’s two things that can cause a shoot to go sideways every time… kids and animals. This prick thinks he can control an animal as a prop.
How much support would he have garnered if he suddenly dropped out of whatever angry rant he was in and was like “who’s good girl!? You’re a good girl, yes you are, smooches, now go lay down and let papa cook, ok?” And then went back to whatever it was he was on about.
Literally every streamer I have ever seen just interacts socially with their animals when they interrupt the stream, and then whether they were irritated or happy to have them involved right at that moment, they just remove them and just get back to what they were doing. It is okay.
I can’t even fathom being such a piece of shit as is on display in these videos. It’s not just the physical action (although yes that too), it’s how annoyed he sounds that there is another being involved in this equation and now he has to deal with the inconvenience of their needs and actions. And he doesn’t even register that it’s weird to express that annoyance in such a cruel and entitled fashion on stream. Look at the woman’s face glancing at him right at the end of the “collar too tight” stream.
Your comment reminded me of William Osman (YouTube). He has a toddler and animals roaming in and out of his shots and always stops to talk to them. If it gets to be too much, he always has a friend or family to take care of them off screen.
This Piker person should be forced to wear that collar himself and give his community control. It would be the first and last episode I’d ever watch.
If I ever turn into a supervillain, my shtick is going to be kidnapping people and then putting them in little Dante’s Inferno scenarios like that.
- Hasan has to wear his dog’s shock collar and sit in the corner, and someone else is streaming and explaining all the good things that USAID used to do around the world and the Armenian genocide, and if he says anything or gets out off his spot, he gets shocked.
- Dmitri Lavrov goes on an interview program, and every time he tries to say that use of physical military munitions against civilians is justified if Russia says it is, someone off camera shoots him with a 40mm non lethal round in the abdomen.
- Stephen Miller gets to have a pair of handcuffs and a baton, and his task is to subdue and detain an actual vigorously healthy undocumented immigrant one on one, while the clip of him saying “we are so much more hardcore than they are” plays on repeat in the background.
And so on
Link me your Kickstarter when it all gets to be too much and you go off the deep end. I want to be in early.
We can dress up like ICE, and probably just kidnap literally whoever we want and whisk them away. Maybe even bust our way into Hasan’s studio so we can literally take Kaya’s collar and remote to strap onto him for the show. Here, take a look at the business plan…
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this scumbag treats women the same way
That’s a hell of an accusation to make, got any evidence you’d like to share to substantiate it?
While I’m inclined to believe you based on how he treats domesticated animals, what makes you say that? I’m not looking this prick up and start getting reformed Joe Rogan algorithm content.
I’ll preface this by saying that I do not follow any of these slop streamers (be it Hasan, Ethan/Hila, Destiny, etc.). I think they all suck. I’m just upset that the dog got hurt.
That being said - from my perspective and first impression I’m leaning towards this being a shock collar incident.
The “paw clipping” theory doesn’t hold water to me currently. We don’t know what kind of bed that is and it’s not possible to determine this from the video. Maybe there is evidence that can prove this otherwise, but from what I’ve been reading, nobody provided anything to suggest this other than a slowmo of what we already can (or rather, cannot) see. The timing of the dog’s reaction is interesting, I’ll accept that, but that may as well just be a coincidence until there is something else to support it.
The “shock collar” theory looks more plausible because:
- The dog has an electronic collar in the first place
- Hasan’s timing of doing something off-screen with his left hand also coincides with dog’s reaction
- Hasan’s previous statements on the dog herself and alleged carelesness towards her
The mere possibility of the collar having that function is enough to make me lean towards that it actually is a shock collar. Granted, he showed the collar on stream, but that doesn’t really prove us anything until he provides an exact product make and model and it being on the dog in that exact configuration as he presented it.
Besides, the collar being electronic at all is a major red flag in my opinion. If he needed to track his dog, he could easily attach an AirTag to a regular collar.
At the end, I don’t care who or what it is. Just let the dog be happy. If he doesn’t like having or caring for the dog, then why have it in the first place?
https://files.catbox.moe/x0kbh4.mp4
Someone asked him on stream what he was reaching for right at the moment that he was super-focused on being exasperated at the dog, and he said something that to me sounded like “my zintins.” I’m too boomer to even understand what the fuck word he said, so if anyone knows what that’s about or whether it is plausible that he was suddenly motivated to snatch for them right at that moment please I would appreciate a leg up of understanding.
Zyn it’s like nicotine gum but instead of chewing you leave it against your gums.
Are people just using “slop” for anything they dislike now?
In this instance, I used “slop” to describe those streamers because that’s what I actually see them as - sloppy.
Or would you prefer for me to use a different adjective? I could use “uninteresting” or “annoying” or even “lazy” for a good number of those.
Regardless if he shocked the dog or not, to me it’s bizarre how he gets upset over the dog getting up
Training a dog to stay on their bed is basic dog training…
If they are being rowdy or you need them to calm down sure. But expecting them to lie still for how ever many hours you’re gonna sit there and stream is just unreasonable. The dog only stood up and put their front paws off the bed before getting told off. While being choked nonetheless.
Choked?
At the end of the clip, the lady says she can’t even get one finger under the collar. A collar with quite deep prongs sticking out if it is indeed a shock collar. Even the recommended “two finger” test is quite tight, but it’s to ensure they don’t slip it while outside.
I didn’t watch with the sound on, so I didn’t know she commented on it.
I don’t see how that makes his reaction any less bizarre…
