Whats the difference between an Anarchist and a Libertarian?
Libertarians have money.
Small l libertarians? Almost nothing. Joseph Dejacque, the person who coined the term is generally considered anarcho-communist. And criminally unknown.
Big L Libertarians are just cosplayers. If you advocate against big government but not big businesses. Are you really libertarian? No. They hold the disproven belief that the market will regulate itself in absence of government. Government got into regulation of business because they didn’t and can’t. They both metastasize into calcified structures of power focused on maintaining themselves. Over the good of the people.
Anarchists believe in no hierarchies while Libertarians believe in no governments but see no issues with power imbalances between people is the basic difference.
The same anarchists that are willing to side with capitalists over other leftists?
Um who you referring to bb?
I was reading through the anarchist faq here to learn more and it left a bad impression
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Authoritarianism can be a deciding factor. Anarchist are very against it. So when it comes to groups that supposedly share the same economic ideology but have different goals. Anarchists have found themselves othered and slaughtered. Sometimes people can have the same goals but different ideas about how to get there. And still respect eachother. I would ally with anyone who values consent over those that do not.
Sounds like you think ancaps value consent? Wild
No, they’re just cosplaying capitalists. There’s literally no difference between them and capitalists. No daylight.
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In all this “left, right, middle, half-left but with a sprinkle of right and a cherry on top” debate I keep wondering why nobody ever mentions humanism anymore.
I wish that downvoter would have explained their problem with humanism instead of just downvoting.
In their absence: what do you like most about humanism? What’s the one true humanist religion, Unitarian Universalism or Satanism?
I have at least a little love for everyone, but I have lots of love for anarchists because
ANARCHISTS ARE VEGAN!!!
Some are
We don’t need a dozen anarchists practicing your anarchy perfectly, we need a world of anarchists doing the best the can for the world
You can’t have one without the other.
Should perfect be a barrier to progress?
Nope, but not valuing consent. That’s a massive barrier.
What if they consented?
Then it wouldn’t be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent.
I’m sure many are vegan but I actually read this recently
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-veganism-why-not
That text is very confusing. Many sentences contradict the previous one, and contains multiple ideas that are opposite to anarchism.
So much strawmaning! “There’s no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me.” Gimme a break.
The rate at which veganism is being promoted by hipsters, NGOs, and—increasingly—businesses, leaves no room for doubt that capitalism, the perennial opponent of animal liberation, to say the least, has become the new best friend of veganism.
Does this really ring true to you? Capital doesn’t adopt veganism, it co-opts it, because veganism is a threat to entrenched capital. The idea that they are friends is beyond absurd, it’s nearly offensive.
Can’t read more. This is pure carnism; psychological self-manipulation to cope with the cognitive dissonance caused by being cruel and violent to vulnerable individuals while needing to see oneself as a good person. I imagine it feels convincing or at least comforting to someone who also does not wish to stop being cruel and violent.
Anarchists who are not vegan are compromising their ideals and falling short of them. It happens.
Sorry, no I think it’s a reasonable article. At the very least I thought it was an interesting take as a non-vegan. My point was veganism is not a prequisite for an anarchist – this was written by one of the more profilic anarchist writers active today.
Also, isnt this sentence a textbook strawman by you yourself? You’re literally making up a quote. Lol
So much strawmaning! “There’s no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me.” Gimme a break.
Edit: phrasing. Also, if you only read that far, you barely even made it past the introduction.
Likewise, fighting the exploitation of animals and veganism are not the same thing, and the question of whether the latter is useful for the former is also necessary to debate.
“Is not killing their babies really necessary to stop exploitation 🤔”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
carnists really are something
edit: would reeaallly love to hear the downvoters reasoning, like how do you square animal liberation and the slaughter necessary for sustained egg and milk production?
Leftists in general are going to have more vegans than nons, but we’re still a minority in them, whether its an anarchist or marxist group.
One of the most virulent anti-vegans I met was an anarchist, who thought that dictating their food choices offended their “autonomy.”
